POE MATTER INSTALLMENT OF “LEW’S VIEW”
REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING OF THE
LAKE DON PEDRO COMMUNITY SERVICES DISTRICT
Monday, October 17th, 2011 1300hrs
NOTE: Verbatim transcriptions were based on analog and digital recordings.
Here are some brief descriptions of the agenda items and pertinent verbatim transcriptions with PERSONAL OPINION INSERTS AND MAYBE SOME ATTEMPTED HUMOR CONTAINED WITHIN BRACKETS [ ].
n. Request from Mrs. Poe, Michael and Theresa Terry. Request by Mrs. Poe in response to questions raised at the September 19th, 2011 Board Meeting.
I’ll try to make this as quick as possible, I know everybody is tired. Well, I’m trying to address some questions from last meeting, and I do apologize my son Michael Terry could not be here because the other son had an emergency situation and I said stay with your brother since I can’t be there, stay with your brother. Ah, it may be he will be coming to the next meeting if that needs to be.
The first page you’ll see that I talked to Elene and she sent a letter stating we have one parcel number and we have 41.43 acres and she was kind enough, which I have a lot of them that I wanted ah, an update from her, she was kind enough to send me a map it’s not as pretty as the map of last week, but it’s true and it’s truthful and it’s from the county. She highlighted my property, I don’t know why there was some question about the BLM property, no I’ve got the map, anybody is more than willing to look at it, they can even call the county and they’ll give it to you. She highlighted the BLM property that also surrounds our property that I don’t even know why that was an issue, but I do have a little BLM property and anybody’s more than welcome to look at this, that’s from Elene, she, I’m not going to read all of this to you, you can read it later, she says any… you’re all welcome to call to verify I have one pen number. I do not have three. She also on the second page stamped, ah a tax master page showing I have one PN, APN number and then concerning that BLM property the third page shows, and on 1989 we have a right of way too from BLM to get to the back of our property and I don’t know why this wasn’t in my file with ah, the water company because if you look on the fourth page there is a letter from the commn…ah Lake Don Pedro Community Services stating they were advised by BLM that we had gotten a right of way through BLM property and they would appreciate us letting them know if at any time we were going to be digging or whatever because they might have some water lines down there so they were well aware that we had BLM property around us. On the very last page, is a letter from 1991 when Mrs. Martin and you’re going to have to excuse me, I don’t know her by this other name, I know her by Donna Martin. When she ended up not, reneging on her portion of the bill, we attended a meeting on January the seventh
[The information provided by Mrs. Poe regarding her ownership of one 41.43 acre parcel is immaterial to the subject matter at hand and was never questioned. The important issue is to which of the two other property APNs (Assessor Parcel Numbers) the two meters on the POE parcel were originally registered according to CSD records. The meters were removed based on information provided by Directors Emery Ross and Mark Skoien obtained from their individual investigations and interviews of Mrs. Poe. A former President who resigned also provided a map of portions of the properties involved (for those of you counting, yes that was 3 out of 5 directors involved and raised a “Serial Meeting” question.) Following my request for further information on April 23rd, 2011 Director Ross sent a May 3rd, 2001 email to directors in an attempt to clarify what he stated at the January 18th, 2011 meeting, however, that email also contained clearly incorrect information as well. That clarification email was not sent to the Billing Office. Ross also failed to attend the Closed Session meeting dealing with the issue the next day.]
Board Secretary Charise Reeves: Mrs. Poe could you hold that thought for just a second (inaudible) [switching tapes for recording of meeting]…OK
Mrs. Poe: Ready?
Secretary Reeves: Yeah
Mrs. Poe: We attended a meeting by the then sitting board explained that she was not going to pay her portions, which was going to end up costing us a lot of money and it did, but we did not want to be bad neighbors, like, I’ve expressed this at another meeting, what a year or two years ago when I came when she was inquiring on water, we did not want to be bad neighbors moving up here, we knew we were going to be living in a community that was our dream, and I explained that to you, it was my husband’s dream and we didn’t want to come up here with the water company mad at us. So we told that sitting board we will, take on the responsibility of her bill and we did.
[Though Mrs. Poe has repeatedly stated she and her husband decided to pay the other portion of the CSD billing because “we didn’t want to come up here with the water company mad at us” perhaps the actual reason for the payment is documented in CSD correspondence to Mr. and Mrs. Poe dated July 29th, 1991:
“The board of Directors agreed to extend a water line and to provide you and your partners with temporary water service pending your application for annexation. Not only have you not paid in full for the line extension, but we have heard nothing regarding your annexation application.
Please provide us with the balance due on your account and the status of your annexation request no later than September 1, 1991, or it may be necessary to discontinue your water service.” (cc: John Terry, Hank Pattison)
It would appear the discontinuing of water service may have been the overriding factor in paying the balance due, not that the water company would be “mad” at them. Why does the letter refer to “partners” rather than “partner”? Only Poe and Martin are stated to be involved in the extension project?]
It’s paid in full, OK? But I said I won’t pay for her meter and I won’t pay for her box and I have some copies here of one of the many bills that we received that had Martin’s name and excludes any hookups, and excludes her meter fee. Her name is there in black and white, Martin. She was definitely involved in this project we had going and there, I do want to clear up one mistake that was in our little Foothill paper, they did not bore or come across my driveway to give me water they come across my driveway to give that property water, it was all OK’d by that board, uhm at that time, that’s what they were doing was giving water to that property. My water came down Granite Springs, my line came across the road, we bored under the highway, came in, up right up to my hill on this side of my driveway – I had water. The only reason was she wanted water and the water company went across my driveway, dug up my driveway to give her water and of course covered it back up which we had to pay for that cuz at that point she was saying oh no, I, you know, blah, blah, blah, but we took on all of that, all of that bill from that time, now when we first were starting this project the water company was well aware we were looking into digging a well. Boy- should have stuck with that one, ah, but they, the county again years, and years and years ago sent me all these names of people because the water company at first had thought about coming off of Arbolada and going all the way down that whole ridge where I live which there’s, a electrician that lived there, ah Carol or whatever, there’s several places along there and on these Donna’s name wasn’t on there because she had bought the property but this wasn’t changed. The county X’d off the names of some people that lived around in that facility. One of those names was Ramona Shaw. Ramona Shaw had, she still lives in Chatsworth and I owe her a public apology, she’s not as old as dirt, she’s a young 81 years old and still alive. She lives in Chatsworth, my old stomping ground and she had 32.01 acres. Now I have no clue, and God knows I would not want that woman’s name in association with my son. I have no clue, that happened in house.
I certainly would not, and why in the world I would use another woman’s name with, I don’t know how that happened, it happened, the only thing I can explain is one time I had some papers destroyed from a water heater that broke, and I called the water company and I said could you send me some copies of da-da-da-da-da, looking in my file they said well, Mrs. Poe there’s nothing hardly in your file, huh? No, I said well look in Donna Martin’s maybe it’s in there? Her’s was cleaned out. We later discovered she had a friend in the water company. We don’t know what happened in that, something went on, something went on in that water company, at the time I didn’t think anything of it, but I had no clue that my son, their names were on with my son all these years, all these years until it came up over this and I, I don’t, I would like to know, I would like to know how did their names get on? How? Somebody put them on there and I’m assuming it was in around 1998 from what was in the papers.
[“A friend in the water company”? This begs the question: Who would benefit? Three meters for three separate properties (as recorded in CSD records) would make sense and not raise any “warning flags”. However, three meters registered to only one property appears contrary to normal CSD operations. The fact all three properties are OUTSIDE the DISTRICT SERVICE BOUNDARY, OUTSIDE THE MIDPOU and not annexed as previously agreed is extremely relevant.]
Now I don’t know, I honest to God have no clue, the bills never came Hank Pattison and Donna Martin or John Terry/Ramona Shaw. Poor Ramona Shaw doesn’t even know her name was being used which I don’t aa..h, I mean, who would do that?
[Good question. Does Poe benefit from using two other property owners’ names and APNs to register two water meters located on Poe property for which they and their sons have paid monthly service charges for years? Was Mrs. Shaw’s name and property APN used to extend the line further?]
It had to be in that Board at that time and they were very good to my husband and I at the time because of what she did, of course they were also very grateful that we were paying her bills and, but just to make a long story short, the whole thing, that board approved that line going across my driveway to deliver water that was an issue that was done years ago, it was there, I mean that was the whole purpose it was all approved. So, I mean, I don’t know what else to try to prove to you that, I don’t know what you all have against me? I don’t know what else to do to prove to you that I don’t have three parcels of land, I have one parcel. I don’t know how those women’s names got on the, I don’t know. Go ahead.
[The approval was obviously conditional.]
Director Lew Richardson: Uhm, when did uhm your son first became involved with that other property with Shaw? With Ramona Shaw?
(Director Emery Ross talking in background about the matter)
Mrs. Poe: He wasn’t involved.
[Director Ross (inaudible- got nothing to do with it (inaudible)]
Mrs. Poe: You’re not getting it, you’re not getting it.
(Continued background voices including Director Ross discussing matter and son’s involvement)
Director Richardson: So you’re say he has nothing to do with that property?
Mrs. Poe: (Multiple voices) I can’t tell you what the woman looked like.
Director Richardson: Well, I don’t know either, I’m just trying to figure out because Ramona Shaw evidently received the property from her parents back in 1974.
Mrs. Poe: That’s her property not me.
Director Richardson: Right.
Mrs. Poe: That’s her property.
Director Richardson: So you don’t understand how you’re son’s name (Poe talking) became attached..
Mrs. Poe: Her property, her property was way down the way from us.
(Director Ross talking in background)
Director Richardson: Right, south of you.
Mrs. Poe: Yeah
(Director Emery Ross still talking in background)
Mrs. Poe: Why, how did Donna’s name get there? At the time the woman had fought us on a lot of money (Ross still talking in background) and I’m gonna, oh let’s put her name down there. I don’t even want to look (inaudible)
Director Richardson: I just recently found out she has a third name.
(Ross talking in background)
Mrs. Poe: Good, well I’m going by one. What I’m saying is (Director Ross still talking in background) I don’t know how those names got on there. I have no clue.
Director Richardson: Well, I, I think and, you know, you don’t understand how it got there I don’t know how they got there either but the fact of the matter is the records indicate that your, both of your sons names were associated with those properties, with the meters, were registered to.
(Director Ross still talking in background)
Mrs. Poe: Wait a minute now. Show me some documentation, show me where it says my son, you’re saying my son was involved in Ramona Shaw’s property?
Director Richardson: Didn’t your son pay the bills for the meter?
Mrs. Poe: OK, I’ve tried to explain that, I was so upset last week. When we decided to go ahead and go with the water company versus digging a well, first they were going to have us come down Arbolado, then they said no you’ve got to come this way and bore under the highway. OK. When it came time for the meters, we were told if you’re ever going to have three dwellings and maybe at some point try to split it which we never did, you need to have three meters, we have since learned that we didn’t need three meters. We could have all three gone off of one and shared the bill, which we’re a loving family we, we don’t have a problem with things like that, but OK, and they said oh and by the way you better get them cuz they’re going to go up next month considerably. And the kids are coming to us, I mean, here, here we go back to the green they want their water and a house there blah, blah, blah – Mom we better get them. We’ve always been fairly strict parents, OK? You want them, you buy em. They went through our billing system, but those boys had to pay us for their little meter and you’re going to pay the monthly payment, I’m not. We’re not. And that’s how they became, we came to the b – water company, we need the three meters but we want one in Hank’s name (PATTISON), one in John’s name (TERRY), and one in our name (POE). Wasn’t a problem, they paid those bills faithfully, look back, they never were late, those bills have been paid faithfully for years.
Director Richardson: OK, but why did they not investigate somebody else’s name being on their billing?
Mrs. Poe: Well who? We never, I never knew it until I saw you got – had it. I never knew it.
Director Richardson: No, at the last meeting you said you never understood how Ramona Shaw, and that’s when you said she might be old as dirt and all that, how her name became associated with you son’s.
Mrs. Poe: Exactly, sitting right there. I sat right there and looked at the names up there and I thought, (gasp)
[Contradicts previous statements made at the September meeting – see below]
Director Richardson: But it was on the billing too.
Mrs. Poe: No it was not, no sir.
Director Richardson: Alright, I believe it was.
Mrs. Poe: No sir, you show me.
Director Richardson: I don’t have it here right now
Mrs. Poe: It’s my proof, it’s the truth, it’s legal
Director Richardson: Well, OK, so, so both your sons wrote those letters correct, that director Ross brought to this board, your sons wrote those letters?
Mrs. Poe: What letters?
[What letters? How many are there?]
(Soft speaking in background)
Director Richardson: The letters asking the meters to be removed?
Mrs. Poe: Yes, they asked that that the, did you see that Ramona Shaw or Donna’s name?
Director Richardson: No I did not.
Mrs. Poe: Donna lives right up there in Greely Hill.
Director Richardson: No I did not. So you’re saying
Mrs. Poe: Show me where
Director Richardson: So you’re saying Ramona Shaw is still the owner of that property south of yours?
Mrs. Poe: I don’t, I guess she is. I know she still lives in Chatsworth.
[Did Mrs. Poe contact Mrs. Ramona Shaw?]
Director Richardson: Hum.
Director Ross: No it’s Martin, is, ah, Morasci is south, below you.
Mrs. Poe: She, he
Unknown: Directly south (inaudible)
Mrs. Poe: She’s, I, he’s right next door to me, Ramona Shaw owns property down
Director Richardson: Was, was
Mrs. Poe: Way down
Director Richardson: Was Mrs. Morasci, or Martin, or Madden, I understand Madden is involved too, we’re you aware she was in real estate at the time?
Mrs. Poe: No.
Director Richardson: OK
Mrs. Poe: We, she told us she sold log cabins.
Director Richardson: OK.
Mrs. Poe: When we met her, never did meet her in person.
[There appears to be a contradiction (below).]
Director Richardson: You’ve never seen…
Mrs. Poe: Never seen her
Director Richardson: …Mrs. Morasci in person?
Mrs. Poe: Never seen Donna Martin, never. If I have I didn’t know it was her. Never have seen her. And she’s, if you ever speak to her, she’s a very pushy woman, she’s, you know, she was at me constantly about you know we need to get this done and, she was calling the water company and giving them orders and, and it was just a big thing but, no, I’ve, I, that was the first time I saw that, I, when I sat here that’s why I got so upset to see my sons’ names associated with other women when they are married and have children.
[Never met the woman with whom they agreed to split a $13,843.13 bill? Seems rather strange.]
September 19th, 2011 meeting, Mrs. Poe stated during her presentation to the Board:
“… She just, at a board meeting I came to, when I requested why she hadn’t paid the contractors, which was a man named Ken Nichols and the water company what was left on the water company bill, she said my name wasn’t on anything was it? And we were left with all that to pay. Our kids had to help us and then, you know, all this just didn’t make sense to me that, you know, it’s in place, this has been all approved years ago and ….”
”And they have her with Shaw. I don’t know who Ramona Shaw is, she has shown up on our papers for years. The woman’s got to be old as dirt if she’s even still alive. So I, this is bogus. This is bogus.”
[I am sorry but how can Mrs. Poe say she was unaware of Ramona Shaw’s name being associated with her son Terry Shaw if “she has shown up on our papers for years”?]
Director Richardson: Well of course, yeah.
Mrs. Poe: I mean, it was a very insulting (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: I’d get a little nervous about that
Director Richardson: Sure
Mrs. Poe: It was very, yeah I’m glad one of my grandkids didn’t walk in and see Dad linked up with another woman.
Director Richardson: Yeah
Mrs. Poe: That wouldn’t have gone over. But I, I mean, then we go on, and on, and on about this, you know, and it’s already been approved years ago, it’s, and we paid her costs.
[The approval was conditional upon the properties being annexed which they never were.]
Director Richardson: I, I understand that and that’s really unfortunate.
Mrs. Poe: And you know, we would have never done that, we’re not trying to jip somebody out of something, we’re not trying to, why do you think we came to that board twenty some years ago and said we’ll pay her, we’ll pay what she’s not?
[The meters would have been disconnected without the agreed payment.]
Director Richardson: Right, but if what you’re saying is, what you’re saying is then that Shaw and the Morasci, or the Shaw property never had any water coming to it at all.
Mrs. Poe: No, her’s is way down
Director Skoien: Not Shaw
Director Richardson: Not Shaw?
Director Skoien: Not Shaw
Director Richardson: But wasn’t there three partners with your group to begin with?
Mrs. Poe: Three partners where?
Director Richardson: With you Morasci and a third person?
Mrs. Poe: No. No.
[No third partner?]
Director Skoien: It was her and her two sons.
Director Richardson: Ahum
Director Skoien: (inaudible)
Director Richardson: I haven’t seen it yet, but my understanding is there are some Minutes from 1991, and I’m not sure if it was you, or somebody involved in your group, said that there were three partners involved.
Mrs. Poe: No.
[OK, again Mrs. Poe says there was no third partner.]
Director Richardson: So you’re unaware of any third partner?
Mrs. Poe: Have you read the paper that the board sent me, that I received that, when I was, we were at their meeting and they sent us a letter stating they appreciated the fact that we had taken on that responsibility of paying that, that we’re looking forward to your payment.
Director Richardson: But you’re una, you are totally unaware of a third party involved in this?
Mrs. Poe: No, I don’t know what third party it could be.
[OK, Mrs. Poe doesn’t even know who a third party could be? This seems to contradict Minutes from the January 7th, 1991 Meeting at 2:00PM where it states under Item 8: FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DISTRICT, A:
“Mr. & Mrs. Ray Poe addressed the Board about the billing of the Amber Ridge line extension. Originally there were three partners. One partner has refused to pay her portion of the bill, and the Poes requested that, if they pay the entire bill, will service be denied to the other party until she pays her share. The Board agreed with Mr. Poe and will send a letter to him guaranteeing reimbursement for others who later hook on to the line. Mr. Poe indicated to the Board that he is getting a loan to pay the extension costs and should have payment to the District by the end of January.”
I would imagine it would be safe to assume Mrs. Martin/Morasci/Madden was the woman who did not pay her share. Who was the other partner? Why would three partners, each receiving a meter, divide a $13,843.13 bill for a line extension in half? Who should have paid for the third meter that was made available by that line extension? If Poe claims her son was the third party, why should Martin/Morasci pay for half the bill instead of a third since two family members were receiving a meter each? Why wasn’t Mrs. Ramona Shaw paying for the meter that was registered to her property? Did she even know a meter was registered to her property? Was her APN just used so the paperwork would appear correct in the Billing Office and appear to justify three meters on one property?]
Director Richardson: OK
Mrs. Poe: How do I know? I mean,
Director Richardson: OK
Mrs. Poe: You know and, and if you read on there it’s, it’s
Director Richardson: Well see, I would look at it as the third party was the Shaw lot since there were three APNs involved, you and your husband’s
Mrs. Poe: OK
Director Richardson: Morasci, Madden, Martin and then Terry/Shaw and
Mrs. Poe: No
[Why could not the third party be the property CSD records indicate is “Terry/Shaw”, after all, a meter was registered to that APN?]
Director Richardson: was it Pattison was associated with
Mrs. Poe: Pattison was my oldest
Director Richardson: no, Terry, Terry was associated with Shaw.
Mrs. Poe: Yeah, OK, show me that paper.
[At the September meeting (above) Mrs. Poe acknowledged that Ramona Shaw’s name had been associated with their paper work for years.]
Director Richardson: I don’t have it right here.
Mrs. Poe: Show me
Director Richardson: I don’t’ have it right here
Mrs. Poe: Show me where they’re connected, connect that dot for me.
Director Richardson: Ah ask your son to show you one of his old bills.
Mrs. Poe: No sir. The first thing my son would have done is got on that phone
Director Richardson: Well that’s what I thought, that’s what I thought when I saw it, I thought well if somebody sent me a bill and it had someone else’s name on it I’d be picking up the phone and calling right away, but see, here’s the problem, if that was done, then there wouldn’t have been meter service to Shaw because the way it was set up with the three meters being in your property registered to three separate properties it made perfect sense on paperwork. One meter one property, two meters second property, three meters third property, that makes sense.
Mrs. Poe: There has, my son has never gotten a bill, now there might be one on record, why? Is that to protect somebody? Protect Donna from maybe not having to pay a standby fee? It looks like she’s making payments on a water bill, I don’t know, but
Director Richardson: There would be no standby required because she was paying, or somebody was paying the monthly service charge – you can’t charge an availability fee
Mrs. Poe: But not on her meter
[A meter was registered to Donna Martin’s property but placed on Mrs. Poe parcel, just like the one registered to Ramona Shaw that was also installed on the Poe property. How can an availability charge be made against a property without an obligation to pay? These properties are outside MIDPOU, outside the CSD Service Boundary, and were never annexed as previously agreed.]
Director Richardson: with a monthly service charge. It was that lot.
Mrs. Poe: Wait, you’re not, you’re not listening to what I’m saying.
Director Richardson: No I’m listening, I’m not understanding
Mrs. Poe: My son, neither one of them, has ever gotten a bill that said Terry and Shaw or Hank Pattison and Martin. OK? Never.
[But that is exactly how the billing records were set up. Mrs. Poe even admitted Shaw’s name had been on their papers for years. Heck, even a vicinity map in the GM’s office depicts the connections with red lines drawn from the meter location to the intended properties of consumption which are both located south of Poe. Former GM and Board Member Wes Snyder also confirmed that the meters located on the Poe property were originally installed to serve the Martin and Shaw properties. Quite often meters are located in a more desirable or convenient location due to terrain difficulties with the actual customer service line crossing another person’s property. (The Harry Alfier case was a perfect example of this fact.) That is not unusual at all, but multiple meters to serve one property not subdivided? Where else has this happened?]
Director Richardson: OK
Mrs. Poe: Now if there’s one in, this is what I’m asking, if there’s one in the records in the folders, somebody put it there, why?
[I believe a possible answer to this question would involve who stood to benefit?]
Director Richardson: Well that’s what you said earlier, you thought
Mrs. Poe: Why?
Director Richardson: there was com – plicit ceny with
Mrs. Poe: Something was wrong, something’s wrong
Director Richardson: Complicity with, with someone in the office doing something funny with the records, right?
Mrs. Poe: Something, because we’ve never seen anything like that. We would have corrected it immediately that’s what we, all we do.
[But correcting the name situation would have put the spotlight on to which properties the meters were actually registered. IF THE METERS WERE originally installed using incorrect information that would have been discovered. Simply paying the monthly service fee was the most reasonable course of action to avoid a potential investigation of the matter, that is, until Mrs. Poe became aware that Mrs. Martin/Morasci/Madden was going to sell her property to Schartz. I can certainly understand Mrs. Poe’s anger and determination to have the meters removed because of nonpayment by Martin/Morasci/Madden but that doesn’t change how they were originally installed.]
Director Richardson: Do you know if there’s ever been a meter on Mrs. Morasci’s property?
Mrs. Poe: I don’t, I’ve never personally gone and looked, cuz it use to tick me off to even look at her box.
[This is peculiar because I believe human nature would dictate that if someone was forced to pay another’s bill they would likely inspect that box to observe that for which they paid? Or did Mrs. Poe already know there was no meter as she and others stated at the September meeting and only now appears noncommittal to give Mr. Ross an easy out from his prior contradictory statements? Did Poe already know the meters on her property were registered to Martin and Shaw, and by having them removed would force Martin/Morasci/Madden or the new owner to the CSD to obtain water and thus provide Poe with the opportunity to collect from the new owner according to the past CSD agreement to not furnish water until Mrs. Poe was paid? That agreement also bothers me. Why should a public agency be used to coerce payment of a party to a private contractual agreement? Seems kind of like using our CSD as a bill collector on a private debt.]
Director Richardson: Right well, the other meeting you said she didn’t have one.
Mrs. Poe: As far as I know. I, my meters were over here.
Director Richardson: Right, if you’re facing the property to the left.
Mrs. Poe: Ah-ha
Director Richardson: One of them was disconnected, two of them were connected. Where did the other pipe go to the one that was removed?
Mrs. Poe: What pipe?
Director Richardson: Well you can see in the box that one meter has a pipe going to your house which is the active meter, the other one had a pipe that was severed and cut off, where did that pipe go?
Mrs. Poe: OK, you mean where did it go?
Director Richardson: Right
Mrs. Poe: When we were waiting for our modular to be delivered we were in our 5th wheel and the boys ran us a line so we could flush the toilet.
Director Richardson: Why, why would you need two lines from two meters to flush a toilet.
Mrs. Poe: Because that line was going this way – way up to the house and the fifth wheel was way over there.
[This seems strange since the meters were all located in the same starting place so the distance or direction is immaterial. Why not simply “T” off from the planned residential line for the 5th Wheel toilet and save pipe and use of a second meter?]
Director Richardson: But that meter never had a service charge on it cuz it was never, never had consumption.
Mrs. Poe: One of the meters I know had some meter on it
Director Richardson: But you see where I’m coming from here not being privy to (inaudible)
Director Skoien: Well she always had service charges on them right? Her three meters
Director Richardson: But no consumption
Director Skoien: Yeah, OK
Director Richardson: So how could you run a toilet with no consumption?
Mrs. Poe: Whenever, whenever water ran through those lines
Director Skoien: Well I don’t know about the consumption
Mrs. Poe: that, those bills were paid. We never had a late charge, we never had dumb charge, we never had
Director Richardson: No, I understand you paid your bills, yeah.
Mrs. Poe: yeah
[I have no doubt that the Poes or their sons paid their bills because failure to do so would have resulted in disconnection and removal of the meters, which again, may have produced an investigation as to how they were originally installed.]
Director Richardson: Unfortunately it looks like on paperwork the bill paying was going to three separate properties.
Mrs. Poe: No, it was not going to, stop it, it’s not three separate properties. Three different people in a family.
[OK, then why weren’t the three meters registered to that one family APN where the “family subdivision” was to take place? Again, was Poe’s son John Terry the other third original party associated with the Shaw property?]
Director Richardson: No I understand what you’re saying but there’s absolutely no documentation to that affect.
Mrs. Poe: Oh yes there is, there was twenty years of bills. There’s twenty years of bills
Director Richardson: With your APN number on those meters? No, I don’t believe so. There are three separate APN numbers
[Again, I do not doubt for a second those bills were paid because if they WERE NOT the meters would have been pulled just as it was suggested in the CSD payment request for the extension and annexation follow-up. They would have lost water service because Outside MIDPOU (Outside Merced Irrigation District Place of Use restrictions) properties are not charged an availability fee – they are not entitled to Lake McClure water and have no obligation to pay availability charges.]
Mrs. Poe: No there’s not, show me, show me
Director Richardson: I told you I don’t have it, you should have asked me that last meeting when I was up there at the map I had them. (MRs. Poe talking in background)
Mrs. Poe: (inaudible) and I want to know who, I want to know who, if I have to get a lawyer, who put those numbers on there without our permission?
[A possible clue to the answer might involve who had the meters installed and why? Who would benefit from “misinformation in the files” to obtain those meters?]
Director Richardson: Well I’d like to know too. Well I would think it would be the people that had something to gain which would be water connection to properties that were outside MIDPOU, would be my first, would be my first guess, and the fact that maybe a realtor was involved using three different names might be another clue.
[Basic question: Who stood something to gain?]
Mrs. Poe: But why did it never show up on our bill or something?
Director Richardson: Because there were three separate properties.
Mrs. Poe: And why would she use Mrs. Shaw’s name?
[I have no idea whether Martin/Morasci/Madden, Mrs. or Mr. Poe, Mrs. Poe’s sons (John Terry, Michael Terry or Hank Pattison) or someone in the CSD office (or all of them) were responsible for misusing someone else’s APN to facilitate the meter installations.]
Director Richardson: Maybe because she’s out of the area, and didn’t know what was going on
Mrs. Poe: All I know is
Director Richardson: I don’t know, I agree with you, I agree with you 100% there needs to be an investigation, I agree.
[There are still people in the area who know the facts of this situation and Wes Snyder is one of them.]
Mrs. Poe: All I know is we are an honest family, we’re not trying to screw anybody out of anything
Director Richardson: Right
Mrs. Poe: We did the right thing, we paid a woman’s bill that we shouldn’t, I wish now we hadn’t.
[But that action would certainly have resulted in the meters being removed by CSD long ago.]
Director Richardson: I don’t know why you would agree to go into business with someone you’ve never even met?
[I still have a problem with this information. Reminds me of another curious point, why would ANYONE purchase property for a considerable sum of money without confirming they could even get water? Just doesn’t make sense.]
Mrs. Poe: Because, well we didn’t, we, because, like I said at the other board meeting, we just are, thought everybody was as honest as we are.
Director Richardson: Well that’s a dangerous thing to think.
Mrs. Poe: Yes it is, it is sad.
Director Richardson: Yes it is
Mrs. Poe: It’s a sad thing and I don’t know who put those names, they never came in the bill, nothing. That was like all a secret from us, boy. I don’t get it.
[Bills are generated from the information contained in the office records.]
Director Richardson: It’s amazing that you paid standby fees for all those years and not use those meters.
Mrs. Poe: We didn’t pay a standby fee
Director Richardson: I mean a monthly service charge, excuse me.
Mrs. Poe: We, we called once and asked them if they could disconnect them and we were told no.
[Why would you accept “NO” for an answer? You said the family had abandoned the idea of subdividing your 41.43 acre parcel and your husband’s medication was very expensive, why continue to pay the monthly service fee? Did the CSD refuse to disconnect because the water service was an “exception to the rule” to begin with? Or that the annexation never took place? How would CSD bill an availability charge to an Outside MIDPOU which has no obligation to pay for water they cannot obtain? Were the requests to pull the meters presented by Directors Ross and Skoien in January the result of Mrs. Poe becoming aware that the Martin/Morasci property was to be sold and she would lose her opportunity to be reimbursed for the line extension? (The meter registered to the Martin property could have easily been relocated to the Martin water box.)]
VP Kinsella: OK times, OK, times up.
Director Skoien: Lew I’m sure you’ve seen this, this is one bill on, I think it’s ninety, I can’t tell it’s dark
Director Richardson: Is that from Mr. Nichols?
Director Skoien: No, no, it’s for her and it’s
Director Richardson: From Mr. Nichols?
Director Skoien: Huh?
Director Richardson: Is it from Mr. Nichols?
Director Skoien: No, it’s our bill, from our CSD
VP Kinsella: Thank you Mrs. Poe
Director Richardson: Oh, oh OK
Director Skoien: What we billed them, and it states a bunch of stuff and it’s twenty-nine hundred dollars, sixty eight to her, and then it says, for Martin about the same amount of money, and it says Martin service hookup excludes meter fee. Now this was all in that packet that I was asking about the last time and I actually called you at home and left you a message but you never called me back.
[Honestly, I am not comfortable talking on the phone with directors who have misrepresented the facts of this situation from the beginning, besides, there’s the issue of a potential serial meeting – Brown Act violation.]
Director Richardson: No, no I
Director Skoien: That I had found this because
Director Richardson: Did you listen to the tape of the January meeting also where you said there was a meter on the Morasci
Director Skoien: Ah no I didn’t, I didn’t listen to it, I figured you would but
Director Richardson: You know I did
Director Skoien: No, I
Director Richardson: No I understand, you’re saying you meant only a meter box
Director Skoien: Exactly
Director Richardson: No I understand that
Director Skoien: and when I said hookup, no meter
Director Richardson: Yeah but there is a pressurized line to the box
Director Skoien: Yes, yeah, a meter could go in there right, but yeah, that’s one of the things that I was going to ask you, the other was I found this stuff and I did misspoke, or misspeak or whatever you want, cuz I
Director Richardson: And I didn’t, I didn’t jump up and call you a liar did I?
Director Skoien: Ah, yeah you did
Director Richardson: No I said you misrepresented it
Director Skoien: Well let’s just say you didn’t vapor lock as much as you did earlier today in that room
[This “vapor lock” comment refers to the Closed Session meeting.]
Director Richardson: yeah, vapor lock, yeah. Well that’s the difference between you and I, I won’t call you a liar in public, you know, and I’ve never called you liar at all
Director Skoien: OK let me, let me finish my point
VP Kinsella: Get back to the issue
Director Skoien: For the record, you make it hard to apologize, for the record, I did misspeak because where I got this, the married thing from was also in that packet
[OK, you misspoke about confirming Emery’s story there was a meter on the Martin/Morasci property and now you apologize for also accusing me of stating one of Poe’s sons was married to one of the property owners who had a meter registered to their property. OK, fine. Better slow down and get your facts straight before accusing someone in an open meeting.]
Director Richardson: Right
Director Skoien: and it says Hank Pattison, parentheses Donna Morasci/Martin wife
Mrs. Poe: (inaudible) who did that?
Director Skoien: and it says Syndie Marchesiello utility billing, but that’s what I had read and by reading it, and I’ll tell you, I get confused reading all this crap sometimes, the agendas, and
Secretary Reeves: Let me know when your For The Record Stops
Director Skoien: no, no I, the For the Record is still on because
VP Kinsella: You’ve got to change the tape right?
Secretary Reeves: No
Director Skoien: I con, I confused where I read it, sometimes actual information that comes in our Board Packet Lew does post on the blog, you know, he’s not creating it, he may post it, and I was wrong where I had read this, that’s all I’m saying for the record.
Director Richardson: Well I appreciate that, thank you
Director Skoien: But this came out of this office, and this bill also came out of this office and what I might say just on top of it doesn’t solve anything but this CSD was very, very negligent I think way back in the day because this should have been legally billed to separate people, not let this lady take care of it, it should have billed
[Negligence of the CSD or intentional deception to gain water connections to Outside MIDPOU properties without confirmation of the information provided? Seems everyone else is subject to accusations of wrongdoing except the people who clearly stood something to gain. The Billing Officer only reported what was contained in the files.]
Director Richardson: That’s assuming one story is believed over another which could possibly be
Director Skoien: About the tunneling?
Director Richardson: No, no,no, the tunneling I understand,
Director Skoien: that’s the billing I’m talking about
Director Richardson: but, but what I agreed with Mrs. Poe about is a definite serious investigation needs to take place here especially with the possibility that there was inside maneuvers within the CSD.
[The SO GOSIP just want everything to be “water under the bridge”, forget about the past, ignore glaring contradictions regarding how and why those meters were installed; just go along with the program presented by Ross & Skoien and give everyone what they want, whether entitled or not. Everyone seems to forget those properties were never annexed as agreed and required. How could Ramona Shaw even know she was supposed to annex if monthly service bills were sent to and paid by Poe’s son instead? How could that property be annexed without the property owner’s knowledge? It could not.]
Director Skoien: But that’s all on Morasci
Director Richardson: Morasci I believe is the way to
Director Skoien: OK, Morasci
Director Richardson: but it also involves Shaw because (multiple voices) the two meters were registered to the other
VP Kinsella: OK, what else, hold it, hold it, Charise?
Secretary Reeves: I just want to make one comment because Mark as referred to as Marchesiello, everything that has been presented by staff is what was found in files, all of this occurred prior to
Director Skoien: I was just reading what was on this paper
Secretary Reeves: any, any of us being here
Director Skoien: Right, right absolutely
Secretary Reeves: So, in reference to an investigation of going back to figure out what happened, you have nothing because there are no staff members here that were here at that time
[There were employees at that time who could still be contacted to substantiate our CSD records. But yes, that list with time, is growing increasingly shorter. This is another reason the SO GOSIP hate this website —-documentation as to past statements and actions of disingenuous individuals.]
Director Ross: Or board members
[Recall that it was Wes Barton who first asked if the two meters installed were related to the Poe matter and Ross stated they definitely were not?]
Secretary Reeves: Or board members, very true, I just want that absolutely clear because Ms. Marchesiello brought what was in the files, she did not create it, she did not do it, she provided what was there and that’s as much as this staff can do.
[Same old story. Always want to blame someone else or “shoot the messenger” who provides unpleasant or contradictory information.]
Director Richardson: Right
Mrs. Poe: Just real quick
VP Kinsella: OK, one last comment, go ahead
Mrs. Poe: Ahum, Charise anything that’s on file of those, of the bills I had to bring at that meeting that was a couple of years ago whenever it was, those bills came from me bringing them, they couldn’t tell me what happened to a lot of my files, and stuff, luckily I had this in a different box. I mean what I do have today. So, I mean, I just don’t understand why that once that was approved and all that we went through, that that property had water if nothing else under the grandfather law.
[If this were all a simple mistake that would be one thing, but wrongful behavior – even if committed twenty years ago, should not be rewarded. Everything about this matter seems inappropriate right up to the fact that then Board President Emery Ross was deeply involved in this case and has been clearly linked to some highly suspicious activity.]
VP Kinsella: OK
Mrs. Poe: So,
VP Kinsella: We’ll have to be doing a little more checking on this thing.
Director Richardson: Can we take a break or something?
VP Kinsella: Yeah, let’s take a ten minute break.
Wes Barton: Ok, before you do, go to break can I say something?
Director Skoien: Yeah that will makes us really, that will make us really want a break
Wes Barton: Mrs. Poe I would appreciate your staying for (inaudible) I’ll make it short,
Mrs. Poe: OK (inaudible)
Wes Barton: Ah you challenged me earlier Lew about what do you do to solve problems, OK? One of my favorite authors is a guy by the name of Steven Cubby he had seven habits. Hopefully some of you have read it, one of his habits was start with the end in mind, OK? We’ve got a guy here that wants to buy property, he wants to get a hookup, he wants to get water and was related to the Poe poll, the Poe property so we need to start at that point. We’ve got a new customer. Then we need to say OK, what do we have to do to get the water there? OK? It doesn’t mean argue over fifty years ago
[Sorry Mr. Barton but I think you are starting off with the wrong premise, we do not have a new customer, we had a potential new customer but the meter registered to his property that was paid for and installed by the Poes, was also removed by the Poes. The property is OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT, OUTSIDE MIDPOU, AND WAS NEVER ANNEXED AS ORIGINALLY AGREED. I believe Mr. Schartz stated he had already purchased the property with the impression he could receive water from the CSD. His understanding of the water situation is a buyer-seller disclosure matter that should have been made perfectly clear to him PRIOR TO PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.]
Director Skoien: It means take a meter there and hook it up
Mrs. Poe: Amen
[Naturally Poe would be happy with such action because the new owner will pay what the previous owner owed Mrs. Poe (gosh, isn’t this exactly what the people demanding refund of their reconnection fees say is wrong? Making a new owner pay for the debts of the prior owner?) and the new owner would be happy because he can get CSD water to an outside MIDPOU property even though it further taxes our only ground well used for surface water transfers required by MID. That’s another issue all together. Some of the same people who advocate expanding use of the Ranchito Well to provide water service outside the MIDPOU have commented that the Ranchito Well test (to determine capacity) may have lowered the water table which could make the CSD liable for damages. GOOD GRIEF! NO MATTER WHAT IS DONE – THERE WILL ALWAYS BE COMPLAINTS AND THREATS FROM THIS GROUP!]
Wes Barton: it means what do we have to do, it means what do we have to get there, OK? And then take it back the next step if you have to, what do we have to do to solve that problem? What do we have to do to solve that problem? Within four or five steps we’re going to have these people with water. Is it going to solve the problems we got here on this board? No. But let me throw something at you, in my being involved with this board OK? We’ve given away money because of bad contracts with Deerwood, ah we were talking about today giving away money because of bad contracts with the county, so unless we’re talking about forty-fifty thousand dollars OK? If we have to write off something that was way back when to solve the problems that we’ve got in this district, to get the water in there, OK? I’d say let’s get the water in there and figure out all this other stuff in house and decide if we have to write some of it off whatever, but let’s let’s take a look at what’s what’s really important in this whole thing and that is get the water in there and then we’ll solve the problems and go through the investigation afterwards.
[Do I understand correctly? The principle of the matter is subordinate to the amount of money lost? Whether $40,000-$50,000 or something lessor or greater, a principle, a rule or policy should trump the monetary value at stake. Turn our heads to ethics and regulations when convenient or easy to facilitate an easy solution? How can you reward possible wrongful activity then go back and investigate later? You cannot un-ring a bell or stuff a Genie back in the bottle.]
VP Kinsella: OK, ten minute break.
Secretary Reeves: OK, at 4:44.
[Short discussion by Director Ross of email by Dan Tynan regarding updating policies]
Back on record 4:55
Item o. Information concerning Poe meter removal.
Director Richardson: Yeah, just a couple of things, ah Director Ross how did you come into possession of the letters?
[Why would the then Board President be personally handling “evidence” regarding this matter? Why were those letters not mailed to the CSD Billing office in an envelope with a postmark? Ross was advised on Friday January 14th, 2011 the two meters he wanted removed from the Poe property required such a request from the property owners, yet instead, he presented at the January 18th meeting two letters from Mrs. Poe’s sons John Terry and Hank Pattison dated January 14th requesting meter removals from certain accounts – not the registered property owner.]
Director Ross: I’ll wait till you finish OK? Cuz this is not a cross examination or like a deposition, you, you (inaudible) your questions out and then I’ll answer when you’re done.
[Director Ross is absolutely correct. He is not required to answer my questions or any ratepayer’s questions for that matter. If he chooses not to explain his contradictory statements, personal involvement, or peculiar behavior regarding this, and other matters, that is his personal decision but he should not be surprised that such a refusal by an elected public official, trusted to represent the interests of others, will only generate more legitimate questions.]
Director Richardson: OK, well
Director Ross: When you’re all done I’ll try to make notes
Director Richardson: OK well then, then my statements
Director Ross: I’ll try to remember what you say
Director Richardson: Well I’ll tell you what let’s do this For the Record, and I’ll get you a copy of it
Secretary Reeves: OK
Director Richardson: of everything said. Ah regarding the Poe investigation as you entitled your May 3rd email which was sent to all directors and not to the billing office, that was one of my questions, why it wasn’t sent to the billing office? Ah, I also question why an investigation was conducted by you when only three months earlier you stated that directors were not to ever investigate. Ahum, that the clarification email contains a number of errors, and again I’m curious of how you came into possession of two letters allegedly written by Mrs. Poe’s two sons to have the meters removed, why they weren’t just mailed into the office? Ahum, and why it was never clearly brought up until a request for information regarding the statements of January 18th that Marin and Morasci were in fact the same people and evidently, if you can believe Google and a Department of Real Estate License Check she also goes by Donna Madden and has a ah, cease and desist order for doing business in real estate.
Director Skoien: M-A-D-D-E-N Lew?
Director Richardson: Yes, M-A-D-D-E-N, all first names of Donna, and I don’t know why the, the investigation and subsequent email would even be necessary since you stated you were very familiar with Donna Morasci and who she was involved with. Let’s see, and I’m particularly concerned that Director Ross is the only person that has ever seen a meter on the Morasci and Shaw property when there are no records of it ever being installed or existing and why photographs were taken of the three meters on the Poe property and not one of the meter on Morasci’s property. Ah, the other question I had you’ve already cleared up Director Skoien, that it was a mistake, you didn’t mean to say meter you meant to say meter box, but regardless, where you stated that I had misunderstood something, I didn’t misunderstand anything I heard you quite clearly, what you said you misstated
[Why is it that Emery Ross seems to be the only person to have seen that Magical Mystery Meter and is so personally involved in this matter?]
Director Skoien: Yeah I said I misspoke
Director Richardson: Yeah and so that’s no problem, that’s no problem
Secretary Reeves: We’re still in the middle of For the Record so,
Director Skoien: OK
Director Richardson: Ahum
Director Skoien: I’m with ya
Director Richardson: The information that Mrs. Poe shared today is extremely relevant and important if it means that any records in our office have been tampered with to someone’s benefit or not, and my biggest question I guess would be, if you observed a meter on Morasci’s and Shaw’s property and then later discovered them to be missing, why a utility of CSD equipment wasn’t reported to the Sheriff’s office? That’s it.
[There’s a big boo-boo on my part…..left out the word theft after utility! Well, never been much of a public speaker, but the question remains. According to Ross a meter was there, then it was gone and he was surprised. WHY DIDN’T HE REPORT A UTILITY EQUIPMENT THEFT?]
Director Ross: That it?
Director Richardson: That’s it.
Director Ross: OK, thanks. I’ll get back to you someday.
[Now there’s a mature answer to some serious questions that doesn’t instill much confidence in his integrity. Sure won’t be holding my breath for his answers. Every director on this board represents the customers of this district and has a duty to fairly and honestly perform their job. It is extremely frustrating to attend these “Gladiator Pit Meetings” only to face the SO GOSIP and their spurious accusations and complaints. Naturally I realize there are hundreds and hundreds of customers too busy with their own lives in this struggling economy to attend meetings, OK, but I also believe that makes it even more imperative that those individuals elected to such positions do a COMPETENT JOB OF REPRESENTING THOSE WHO ARE NOT INFORMED OR INVOLVED. Maybe Emery Ross can be a smart-ass and refuse to answer relevant questions now, but hopefully someday a proper authority with jurisdiction will be able to “Crack that Nut”, but until then, I will keep asking legitimate questions whether answered or not.]
I’ll tell you about that meter though, OK? The meter, ah, I was driving along, I said to Betsie let’s check this meter out, and this was long before all this stuff started. I stopped, had a small flashlight, we’re in I think my truck, go on over open the box up saw what I thought was one of those old rectangular meters. So I said you know what there’s a meter in there, that’s weird there’s not supposed be a meter because we only knew there was three, up there, OK?
[OK. Got it. I was curious as to how Mr. Ross would logically explain contradictory statements as to whether he did or did not observe a water meter on the Martin property (not to mention the Shaw property.) Does this sound remotely reasonable to you? ….. Just driving around one night and suddenly having the inexplicable urge to look into someone else’s water box just to see what was in there? Seriously, I wonder, since “this was long before all this stuff started”, how many other meter boxes has Emery inspected at night? Has, or will he, be inspecting YOURS? Good grief.
OK in keeping with the Halloween spirit, submitted for your approval is a little Halloween story. Don’t be too afraid……
(Imagine creepy music playing in the background) …..Could Emery Ross be responsible for the numerous reports of a “dim flickering light” in isolated areas around these rough and rugged foothills? Could this explain the jingle jangle ring of All Terrain Vehicle Tire Spurs (ATVTS) through the dense under brush, tall grass while creeping Oak tree shadows move by a pale moonlight? A twig snaps! A coyote howls and an Owl glides past a foreclosed home. A Scorpion rests on a rock during an evening prowl for food and a Tarantula’s legs pick their way over a cowboy boot. OH! The excitement of it all! Could he be, dare I say – THE PHANTOM BOX INSPECTOR?
Can you imagine the courage and dedication it must take to perform such nighttime meter box inspections when the elusive “Rancho Santa Teresa Monster” lurks in that very area? In a June 2007 Foothill Express article entitled “Eyewitnesses describe very large, very hairy animals” Emery Ross in his own words describes the horrifying experience with the creature that bears his ranch name:
“Very late on a moonless night, while checking on a cow we call Cleo, who had just had a calf, I encountered a very large, hairy, light gray animal. The animal came within 12 inches of me and the ATV I was on, so it was easy to determine its size. The animal was 40 inches tall and about the length of a Honda Foreman ATV or about seven feet long. When the animal walked, it had a very smooth, almost floating gait. I saw this animal two months ago and was surprised when the Foothill Express got a call from someone else who saw it recently. It was sighted three miles from where I saw it.”
Only 12 INCHES away? Could it have been sitting in his lap undetected?
WHAT’S MY COVERAGE DOC?
I do wonder however if SDRMA (Special District Risk Management Authority) would cover a director’s injuries resulting from a monster attack while out meter box inspecting at night?
What about a Rattlesnake bite, or a fall down one of those roadway cliffs? How about a lead pellet in the posterior from an angry or frightened property owner? Fortunately, he was accompanied by his wife, witness, and lookout, but still the thought of meeting up with that monster conjures all sort of horrible images and a short Halloween news report ……..
LATE BREAKING KLCR NEWS…….Government officials in Lake Don Pedro California are baffled with the recent unearthed remnants of a cowboy costume discovered near the scene of an apparent violent attack. An unconfirmed Federal Wildlife spokesman described the scene as “gruesome” and that “an obvious violent struggle had taken place”. Other unconfirmed sources report tattered pieces of a blue rhinestone incrusted embroidered western shirt, chunks of a large black Stetson hat, and fragments of a hand stitched “wild rag” were strewn about the grisly scene. Forensic wildlife experts quickly ruled out a Bear or large cat attack but reluctantly commented “the responsible species is unknown at this time”. Extensive evidence was collected at the location for later laboratory analysis along with detailed photographs of what appeared to be a fresh and very large footprint in moist soil near a leaking water connection a short distance away. Officials refused to speculate on when the attack might have occurred. An unidentified source relayed that a scratched message in the rock hard Don Pedro soil was possibly a final clue left by the, as of yet unknown, victim who used the broken piece of a silver spur to carve the words: “I found it”.
NOW BACK TO THE MAGICAL MYSTERY METER TOUR]
So I came home and I said look up the outside place of use and so, they’re all numbers, so I said no you’ve got to go back and look for names, so we went back and looked at names and I said you know what? There’s no, there’s no, there’s no record of her having a meter, it was long before you even came into the picture and so then I, I think I asked Charise, I think at another meeting I said is she on availability or is she on standby? And I said that three times, in three meetings and Charise never answered, but over here, I can tell you this that in Syndie’s memo she states exactly what I state here she says there’s a meter, if I can find it here, ah let’s see, ah, where is that, see if I can find it in this memo from Syndie, let’s see, the adjoining lots have not been paying availability, which is dated five-eleven, that answered my question that I keep asking, Syndie said that, because they have meters attached to them. That’s all I have to say. You figure it out. Syndie’s, Syndie’s records not mine. Syndie’s memo and the other three meters belong to her, they’re her meters, they’re not Morasci’s, she said that property, Syndie’s letter, that they haven’t been paying availability cuz they got a meter.
[Got a better idea — why don’t you explain what you’re doing? And here’s a big clue: The two meters on the Poe property were registered to two other parcels south of the Poe property – that’s why the two properties to the south were not paying an availability fee because according to the records they were already paying a monthly service fee for the meters registered to those properties. Besides how can CSD charge an availability fee to an Outside MID Place of Use Property that has no legal obligation to pay such?]
Secretary Reeves: I’ll, can I respond to that one?
VP Kinsella: Sure
Secretary Reeves: I’m going to clarify and take a stab at this, but that would probably be because in our Springbrook system when Syndie looked at it, it was listed witih
Director Ross (interrupting): I’m not saying anything about Syndie, I’m just reading (inaudible)
Secretary Reeves: the APNs of Morasci, Pattison is how it was, and Shaw and
Director Ross: But it confirms the fact that I
Secretary Reeves: that’s why she would say, no they have meters because in our system they had them under the other two APNs
Director Ross: Well whatever, it says here they had meters so they didn’t pay availability, so they weren’t paying availability that means that that lot must have had a meter, because why aren’t they paying availability, those meters belong to her, they don’t belong to Morasci or Shaw
[Records to Emery, Records to Emery, come in Emery……… Records to Emery, can you hear me Major Ross? Can you hear us Major Ross? Urgent message from Earth Command reads as follows:
The two meters for which Mrs. Poe’s sons (Hank Pattison and John Terry) were paying monthly service charges for years were registered to other properties owned by Mrs. Martin and Mrs. Shaw due south of the Poe property.]
Director Richardson: Mrs. Poe’s sons were paying the monthly service charge
Director Ross: Yeah, well I don’t
Director Richardson: Right, but they were registered to the two other properties
Director Ross: Yeah,
Director Richardson: Right, that’s what we’ve been saying
Director Skoien: That’s what the APNs saying, she says no
[STOP THE INSANITY! WHAT MAKES MORE COMMON SENSE?]
Secretary Reeves: That’s what he’s been saying
Director Richardson: Right, when has CSD ever installed multiple meters on a lot that hasn’t been subdivided?
Director Ross: She was
Director Skoien: Well, back then, when they say
Director Richardson: I haven’t found one example
Director Skoien: Listen, listen, hear me out Lew, back then when you think what would happen under the highway could have happened like then now? And all that work to get it under there, we want to sell you water just like you know, I know Wes Synder went all around and we’ll give you water, yeah, yeah, yeah well that’s three meters. Sell, sell, sell
Director Richardson: I know, but not for one property, there were three properties
Director Skoien: Yeah but back then, back then,
Director Richardson: There are three properties not one.
Director Skoien: No, no, back then who knows?
Secretary Reeves: We don’t know
Director Ross: I know of a lot, it’s just like parcel that has seven meters, has seven meters and it’s not subdivided, he has a guarantee, the Sturtevent property has a guarantee of seven meters, he’s, and and there’s a record
Secretary Reeves: I’m going to guess that was a special deal because we have a tank
Director Ross: Yeah, because of the tank
Director Skoien: Yeah
Director Ross: So he has seven meters and it is not subdivided.
Director Skoien: So who knows what went on back then?
[That’s precisely why records are maintained — to keep track of what happened in the past.]
Director Richardson: Well we’re going to have to find out.
Director Ross: That was in exchange for giving him an acre for the, for the tank, which serves his house.
[The guarantee of supplying seven water meters as part of a deal to obtain an acre of land upon which to construct a large water tank is a considerably different fact pattern than three meters on one parcel with one registered to a consuming property and the other two registered to neighboring unimproved lots which are Outside MIDPOU, outside the District Service Boundary and were never annexed as originally agreed. Apples and oranges.]
Director Skoien: All I know is, I don’t want to speak for, well Mr. Schartz is coming up, so I’ll just, I’ll just wait.
VP Kinsella: OK, anybody else have anything else on this? Onward and upward.
[Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
Sir Walter Scott, Scottish Author & Novelist (1771-1832).]
My best to you and yours, Lew