PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT OF THE
REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS
LAKE Don Pedro Community Services District
9751 Merced Falls Road
Monday, September 19th, 2011 1300hrs
(209) 852-2331
Prepared by Lew Richardson from analog and digital recordings.
My best to you and yours, Lew
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Vice President Kinsella: CONSENT CALENDAR, starting on page 38, Sir?
Director Ross: Vice President, Charise, I’m having trouble ah, my, all my stuff is like blacked out, I don’t know what you’re doing but I wish you wouldn’t do that anymore. (multiple voices) I can’t read it
VP Kinsella: It’s just highlighted
Secretary Reeves: It’s highlighted and it’s highlighted in grey, yours in in blue, ahm, it had been suggested in one of the ah..
Director Ross: Why don’t you change the type face?
Secretary Reeves: things to make it more, stand out more
Director Ross: change the type (inaudible)
Secretary Reeves: I was just trying to make it easier (multiple voices)
Director Ross: I asked Mark, he said his was blacked out, I thought it was just somebody did it to me, but it’s all of them so… it’s hard to read it
Secretary Reeves: OK
Director Ross: It’s probably good (multiple voices)
Secretary Reeves: In the original, it was pretty easy to look at, but in the copy it’s not quite so easy
VP Kinsella: Do we have any questions from the board on Consent Calendar?
Director Ross: Well it’s about minutes right?
VP Kinsella: Yes, special meeting minutes, regular meeting minutes—special meeting minutes of July 25, special meeting of July 12, and regular board minutes of July 18th
Director Skoien: You’re taking them separately here right?
VP Kinsella: Yeah you have to do them all, singularly (Multiple voices)
Secretary Reeves: You can do them all together or you can do them separately if you need, whatever
Director Richardson: Can’t you do them all together unless you pull anything?
Secretary Reeves: Ah-huh
VP Kinsella: Do you want to consolidate all three? OK then I’ll accept a motion for
Director Ross: No, no, make a comment, making a comment on page 44, back to these ah verbatim transcriptions, ahm, I don’t like it, (laughter) wish it wouldn’t be there and I would like it not to happen any more, you know, I don’t know why we have to have them. You said you don’t have time to do policies but you got time to do this, I look back here, Dan said he was going to bring policies to us in, let’s see in August I think and I haven’t seen policies but we have time to verbatim transcriptions that the board isn’t even asking for, as far as I know. Hasn’t been a board direction. That’s my comment. And I won’t approve anything with verbatim transcription, only minutes.
VP Kinsella: Lew?
Director Richardson: Well ahh, as far as I know the verbatim transcripts started, ironically almost one year before the February 22nd one, and it was the whole meeting was a transcript requested by president, I believe he was president, Barton at the time because of your threatened law suits and taking information to the FPPC, the district attorney and all that, and there were no big complaints about it at that time.
Director Ross: Well president Barton, Mr. Vice President, said we’re going to shorten notes, minutes and we’re not going to do that any more, and I remember he asked for that (laughing) and I, at the time I thought gee that’s not so good but it was OK, it worked out, they were minutes instead of verbatim transcriptions. I mean they don’t have time to do the one thing that we’re are, are, are, are charged to do which is policies yet we do, you know, who does these verbatim transcriptions?
Secretary Reeves: It’s me and the only thing that is verbatim is the director’s comments
Director Ross: I understand that
Secretary Reeves: and anything for the record
Director Ross: How long does it take?
Secretary Reeves: Ah this one took me about, let’s see it was a three and a half hour meeting, on that particular one,
Director Ross: Just the verbatim
Secretary Reeves: Just the verbatim portion? (inaudible) and hour, hour and a half. I type pretty fast.
Director Skoien: You do it off a tape right?
Secretary Reeves: Yes.
Director Skoien: Well, I got no problem read and file July 12th and July 18th, but I don’t like the verbatim either because its they’re always behind you know, a meeting or so behind, you know, when we see them here, and I can’t remember every word that was said and I don’t like the fact that I’m depending on someone else to print them correctly, not that you’re doing them wrong Charise, it’s just that mistakes happen. I’d rather have just minutes and it’d save you some time in the office which I’m sure you won’t mind, and I think it would be just more compact.
VP Kinsella: Lew?
Director Richardson: Well I.. (multiple voices)
VP Kinsella: Are you finished?
Director Skoien: Yeah
VP Kinsella: OK, Lew
Director Richardson: I would agree with that except for the fact when ah what things are said in meetings, if they’re not factual I think the individual should be held to their words.
Director Skoien: Well you always have the tape you can present, if that, if that case comes up
Director Richardson: What? Replay the tape for the audience?
Director Skoien: Well, you could do that or you could, have a
Director Richardson: A transcript is much more effective to do that because in the next meeting then everybody can read what was said, and if somebody objects to having their words printed where everybody could read them they shouldn’t say them in a public meeting.
Director Skoien: I think if you had an issue you could, couldn’t you get your tape, state your issue, put it on the agenda, and the other person could do the same, and then you could deal with it.
Director Richardson: What? Have tape wars? (Laughter)
Director Skoien: No, I mean, get, get the transcript made, if, if you have an issue, if you have an issue
Director Richardson: But that’s the whole point
Director Skoien: it don’t have to be issue transcript every time
Director Richardson: But that’s the whole point, if there’s an issue at the time that’s controversial and two people are speaking their positions you don’t want somebody else to try and paraphrase what their saying,
Director Skoien: exactly
Director Richardson: use their own words so there’s no misunderstanding of what they’ve said
Director Skoien: Exactly, that’s why, if somebody is questioning you, or you’re questioning somebody, you take the tape, you transcribe it, you’re not depending on someone else in the office being paid by the ratepayers to do it for you, you’re doing
Director Richardson: And I do do that
Director Skoien: OK, yeah, I’m sure you do, but the thing is, it doesn’t have to be done every meeting
Director Richardson: Of course not
Director Skoien: So I, if there’s an issue, then you do it and then bring your issue to the board.
VP Kinsella: Charise, are you done?
Director Skoien: Yeah
Secretary Reeves: The reason I went to the verbatim on the director comments was because there’s, first off, there is no topic identified in director comments, so it can be about anything and everything, two, we’ve had some very heated, the director comments have taken a route they should not have taken, director comments should be comments stated, no discussion, end of comment, three, with the route that the comments have gone, I did not want to be responsible for trying to interpret what you guys were trying to say. Because
Director Skoien: But that’s exactly what you’re doing by putting them in here
Secretary Reeves: No, I’m, it’s it’s, by putting verbatim it stands on its own, you guys, what each one has said and I really didn’t want to do these this way but because I had done them verbatim up to this point I wasn’t going to change. We went back to director comments two times in that meeting, and Vic, I, I believe I gave Vicki kind of a, a, a motion or nod or something because at one point she did say remember director comments are comments only. OK, so I did not want to be accused of skewing anything one way or the other, that’s why you’ve got verbatim.
VP Kinsella: OK, I think
Director Skoien: wastes your time
VP Kinsella: Go ahead Emery
Director Ross: Well if you go back far enough, I’ve been coming to these meetings since 92, ah, there weren’t director comments. That’s what we’re doing right now, there doesn’t need to be a jab session at the end where you take jabs at each other. I think it should be eliminated, it started with the last board, ah, at the very end of their tenure because of the problem we had with the ahh, general manager. Before that if you go back into antiquity you will not see that, you will not see any director comments, we’re making right here today, we comment all day long, if you’ve got something to say, say it, don’t take little jabs at the end when it’s over. That’s my opinion.
VP Kinsella: I think that if you have the verbatim there is no room for anybody to interpret what you’ve said, the reader can form their own opinion. Mr. Carlson I’m going to put you on the spot.
Raymond Carlson (CSD Attorney): OK
VP Kinsella: Just a general comment on it, verbatim transcripts
Ray Carlson: Ah generally minutes should be of, the purpose of the minutes is to have an act of record of action of the board, motions, resolutions, any decision everything else goes in the realm of discussion, audience discussion, board discussion, etc., etc. and ah normally in most districts, city counsels, etc., those things are not included in the minutes because the minutes are not a verbatim transcription. The only time you have a verbatim transcription is if you have some kind of on the record hearing and this district doesn’t have those but an example would be ah, in a county where somebody is trying to get a conditional use permit they’ll have a hearing on conditional use permit, on that permit and they’ll have, a, that may be short it may be long depending on what the project is but they usually have a ah, certified shorthand reporter come in and take the whole thing down in case there’s an issue about what happened. That doesn’t usually happen here because this district is not a land use, it doesn’t have the authority to grant land use approvals, it has the authority to provide our your water service but not to say you can build this or you can build that, that’s that’s for the county. So you don’t have by the nature of things this district would not have on the record hearings so, it’s within discretion of the board as to how long or how short they want to have the minutes, I mean they can be, they can be as short as saying, you know, just having each agenda item, you know, discussion, motion, you know, carried, you know, and who voted for what or they can be longer than that up until you know, you can transcribe the whole tape I mean (laughing) so, it’s a matter of decision ah, my view is that the shorter the better because they’re shorter, if anybody wants to go back and listen to the tape I think there was a policy when the prior management was here that the tapes were only kept for 6 months
Secretary Reeves: There’s no policy on that
Ray Carlson: OK, so now they’re kept forever?
Secretary Reeves: I have no idea. I have not gotten rid of, rid of any, and I know some of the ones regarding going back since I’ve been here (cross talk)
Ray Carlson: Yeah we don’t want to get rid of any…
Secretary Reeves: (inaudible) situation, are still here. I don’t know what happened to them with the prior secretary.
Ray Carlson: At one point in time there was a 6 months limit on tapes, that basically got ended when there was a change over, ah, and so all the tapes are available for anybody to go back and look at, and even if, even if you or I made a transcription somebody could say well we’re not, you know, qual, we’re not certified transcriptionists so if you really wanted to have a transcript of a particular meeting, to deal with a particular point that had come up, the best way to do it would be to have an outsider, you know it costs money, but you’d have an outside certified ah transcriptionist make the transcription and then that would be the transcription, if, if the board decided they wanted it.
VP Kinsella: OK
Secretary Reeves: Quick ques, quick question…
VP Kinsella: Sure
Secretary Reeves: Raymond, ah in several of the uhm online courses that I’ve taken and talked to people, when someone states FOR THE RECORD though, that goes into the minutes in full correct?
Ray Carlson: Ahhh
Secretary Reeves: Because they want it as part of the record in the minutes and I’ve been told that by multiple sources
Ray Carlson: Well, I mean you can do it that way, I don’t, I don’t personally believe that that’s the case ah because that way people who are in the audience control what what goes, if they want to submit a written document that’s fine, that’s the best way to do it. I don’t believe that’s a legal requirement, I mean it may
Secretary Reeves: that’s what I’ve been told by several sources, so
Ray Carlson: Yeah, it may be what they’re saying but I mean, if you look in the, I’m messing around because I spilled some coffee, I apologize, ah, let me see if I can find the exact, there’s actually a code section that addresses this and it basically says, ah,
Director Ross: Charise, as far as I’m concerned on that resolution, for the record meaning, you know, I said it, you don’t have to make a big deal out of that, you know (inaudible)
Secretary Reeves: No, because we do have times when (Ross cross talking)
Director Ross: another word for it, but
Secretary Reeves: item that we want for the records being included in the minutes
Ray Carlson: OK, here, here’s what it says in the code for records of the board, the board of directors shall keep a record of all its actions including financial transactions, so that’s pretty broad. That might mean the very brief type of minutes I talked about, it might mean a blow by blow transcription of everything that’s ever said at the whole thing, or something in between. So that’s a matter for board decision.
VP Kinsella: Which section is that in Ray?
Ray Carlson: That’s Government Code Section 61045, subdivision E
VP Kinsella: E as in Edward?
Ray Carlson: Echo, as in Echo
VP Kinsella: OK, I go back to my police training…Edward (laughing) OK
Ray Carlson: I use the phonetic alphabet
VP Kinsella: OK, any additional comments? Any comments from the floor?
Public: I have a question. Did the board, ah, has the board directed Charise to to, ahh, put these transcripts down, like what we were just talking about, was that requested by the board for her to do it that way?
Secretary Reeves: No, this began when the board, I’m trying to think of a polite way to say this, when we had so much interaction with the board on February 22nd, and I, or actions against me, were at the heart of it, (talking in background) and I chose not to try and interpret what anyone was saying. Rather than do that I (inaudible) verbatim for the director comments, hoping that one, and I’ll be very honest here, that one when everybody saw their words in print that maybe they’d get back to director comments where they should, the way they were originally started, and two, that way I was not putting words in to anybody’s mouth, it was whatever anybody had said and because of our board being the way it has, I had continued to do exactly that because I don’t want to get in the middle of it and I had a split board. I had two, two and abstain, where this particular topic has, has been an issue and I’m not making that decision. IF the board directs me Charise, you’re not to do verbatim comments from this point forward on director comments, I will stop doing verbatim comments, if the board says for now on you’re going to do it, then I will do it until they tell me otherwise. But I was, I was not personally going to put myself in that position.
VP Kinsella: Yes
Public: Well I was noticing in the Grand Jury report that they suggested that you not do verbatim, the grand jury.
Secretary Reeves: And we don’t do verbatim on anything except that one little piece, just because it was the topics were going all over the place.
Public: But why would it be your decision to do it
Secretary Reeves: It’s not, the board can change, the board can direct me one way or the other
Public: But you’re doing it without them telling you one way or the other, so it’s your decision.
Secretary Reeves: They can change it.
VP Kinsella: It, it was one of the things that I, showed a lot of concern on this, so if you want to blame anybody blame me because I was the one that said, I don’t want anybody to misunderstand what I said. If I said the Moon is made out of Blue Cheese, that’s what I said and I’ll stand behind it, and I would, I should be responsible for that, for that kind of a comment and ah, I think it’s just simple, if I made the statement, I stand behind it, and I don’t want anybody to interpret what I said. So, I’ll take the heat on that one.
Public: OK, I was just wondering that (inaudible)
Director Ross: But of course one board member cannot direct her to do anything
VP Kinsella: No I, I, that’s right, and I, my comment to Charise was I want my words said, or stated properly in true content. So, took the heat off her, OK.
Public: I was going to say that ahum, it seems like if ah the minutes are a record of the board’s actions, as district counsel has said, you don’t need to even put any of that in there, just say director comments were made period, without saying what they were, and if someone wanted to listen to the tape they could (inaudible) it’s not part of the action the board has taken so I don’t see why it should be an issue of having it (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: OK, any other comments? Ruth.
Ruth: Yes I have one, ahum,
VP Kinsella: Is it related to this?
Ruth: IT’s related to the minutes being approved.
VP Kinsella: OK
Ruth: I, I noticed that ah, the August 25th Minutes were on the internet, is one director, which is Lew, acting alone by putting these minutes on the web before they have been approved by the board
Director Richardson: They’re not Minutes
VP Kinsella: Let me ask you, let me ask you a question first Ruth, was this on LDPCSD?
Ruth: No
VP Kinsella: It was not.
Ruth: It was not
VP Kinsella: Lew?
Ruth: I didn’t think the Minutes could be out to the public until they were approved by all of the board members.
Secretary Reeves: The Minutes that are on the LDPCSD.org, say these have not been approved yet. There are no minutes on the district’s website
Ruth: No it isn’t on the CSD website
Secretary Reeves: And I have not put them out there anywhere else
Director Richardson: Could I answer that?
VP Kinsella: Go ahead
Director Richardson: Ah Ruth, first of all they’re not Minutes. They’re a transcription of everything that was said within the meeting, without any comment on my part, and I think that’s good because as you know there are hundreds, and hundreds of customers that never come to these meetings and they have no idea what happens at these meetings.
Ruth: Ah, huh
Director Richardson: So I think that is in the best of the district as a whole to understand what is transpiring at meetings that affect them and their finances.
Ruth: But you put, ah on there this is verbatim
Director Richardson: Ah, huh
Ruth: and, and that, what I’m questioning is how can one director put these out there before they are approved by all the directors?
Director Richardson: I could come in here with a video camera and set it right there on a tripod and film this entire proceeding, it is a public, public meeting, and it’s geared to educating, see, evidently you looked on the blog, well did you have a good understanding of what happened at the meeting?
Ruth: Well I was here.
Director Richardson: Oh, OK, well a lot of people aren’t, a lot of people aren’t, they don’t have the time or they live in Colorado, or whatever, but they’re not minutes.
Public: This might go back to your January that you didn’t do your committees, because policy number 4060 requires that you put a planning committee, an ordinance committee, personnel committee, and finance committee, and public relations committee and there’s policy that backs up that public relations committee, you can look that up because it’s
VP Kinsella: That, that will be coming up, the first committees will be coming up
Public: (inaudible)
Director Richardson: That’s coming up
Public: It’s coming up how? What do you mean?
Director Richardson: Today, it’s on the agenda
VP Kinsella: It’s in, it’s on the agenda
Public: I noticed that the, what you’re calling it is not these, what you’re calling your committees, it’s not what’s on policy, they’re different but we’ll, I wait till we get there.
VP Kinsella: OK, any further comments from
Director Skoien: I have one
VP Kinsella: Well wait a minute
Director Skoien: I’m sorry
VP Kinsella: Any further comments from the audience? Mark
Director Skoien: I just want to say, that Lew said he puts the verbatim transcripts on his blog without any comment from him, well, you usually do have some comment
Director Richardson: The prior blog did
Director Skoien: Well
Director Richardson: the new one does not
Director Skoien: underneath
Director Richardson: if there (cross talk) if there, yeah, I will post
Director Skoien: but it’s on the blog
Director Richardson: I will post what is said in this meeting (cross talk – Skoien) as best I can from two recorders analog and digital, I do the best job I can to get every word, sometimes I can’t hear it because of the cross talk or the inaudible stuff, and that’s posted singularly. Afterwards I can add a comment to it.
Public: Does the whole board, do they do, do they know that you’re doing that, do they approve of everything because that’s what policies state
VP Kinsella: Can’t control it
Director Richardson: I, I’m an individual, I’m a United States citizen I have my right to Free Speech and I did not give (cross talk interruption) up (cross talk) and I did not give that up when I became a director.
VP Kinsella: Clem?
Clem: I was going to say he has responsibilities being a board member, not to be doing these things.
Director Richardson: Where does it say that?
Clem: When you became a board member
Director Richardson: Where does it say that?
Clem: limited some of your writing
Director Richardson: Where does it say that?
Public: In the policy number there
VP Kinsella: We’ve deviating from this thing. OK
Public: You’re pushing it under the rug
VP Kinsella: What?
Director Richardson: Actually in a little bit, I think it will be clearer to you.
Public: OK
VP Kinsella: Any other comments, back to the board. Do we read and approve the consent calendar for July 12th, July 18th, and July 25
Secretary Reeves: and all correspondence
VP Kinsella: Say again?
Secretary Reeves: and all correspondence
VP Kinsella: and correspondence.
Director Skoien: I think you should separate them.
VP Kinsella: OK
Director Skoien: I mean that’s just me.
VP Kinsella: Director Skoien says they should separate them
Director Skoien: I mean, I won’t approve July 25 I’ll just come out and say it,
VP Kinsella: OK well, let’s do it this way then, why don’t we cut down a little bit here, July 12 and July 18 read and file?
Director Ross: Isn’t it more, Charise isn’t more than read and file, or is it read and file?
Secretary Reeves: It’s read and file
Director Ross: OK (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: I need a motion, somebody want to make a motion to read and file?
Director Skoien: Well make your motion, on, state the dates.
VP Kinsella: July 12th, and July 18th
Secretary Reeves: and correspondence
VP Kinsella: and correspondence, thank you, I keep forgetting correspondence
Director Richardson: I’ll second it
VP Kinsella: Any comments from the audience? Back to the board, call for the question, all in favor?
Director Ross: What are the two dates? 12 and
Secretary Reeves: 12 and 18
VP Kinsella: 12 and 18 and correspondence. Unanimous
Director Richardson: Unanimous
VP Kinsella: Special meeting July 25, do I have a motion to accept, read and approve
Director Richardson: I’ll make the motion to read and approve July 25th
VP Kinsella: 25
Secretary Reeves: 43 (referring to page number)
VP Kinsella: I’ll second it, any comments from the floor? Back to the board, I’ll call for the question, all in favor of read and file Special Meeting July 25, all in favor? Aye
Director Richardson: Aye
Director Ross: I’d vote for it if the ah, direc, the ah, transcriptions were removed otherwise no.
Director Skoien: Nay
VP Kinsella: Well what is your vote Emery?
Director Ross: I would vote for it if she, if you agree to take the direct, transcriptions out, otherwise, no.
VP Kinsella: OK
Director Richardson: It fails
VP Kinsella: Motion failed
Director Richardson: We’ve got something for the next year’s audit
Secretary Reeves: What, what does the board want me to do with these minutes?
Director Ross: Bring them back next month, keep bringing them back I guess. Like we did before
VP Kinsella: I think we have to bring it back twice don’t we?
Director Skoien: Do you have a problem with her taking the verbatim out? As a motion?
VP Kinsella: Yeah, I do.
Director Skoien: Well then I guess we’re a stale (cross talk)
VP President: that’s me, but (cross talk)
Director Ross: (inaudible) reason to bring it back, there’s no reason to bring it back
Director Richardson: Well it might be good to show good effort that we tried.
Director Skoien: Well, I’ll make a motion, that July 25th Special Meeting minutes have the verbatim transcripts removed and brought back to the board, is there a second?
Director Ross: I’ll second it, but I think you probably got to separate it (inaudible)
Director Skoien: Why?
Director Ross: Ok, go ahead, (inaudible) back to the board just to vote yes for that, if you say, with the transcripts (inaudible) vote no, because (inaudible) I second the motion.
VP Kinsella: Call for the question, all in favor?
Director Ross: Aye
Director Skoien: Aye
Director Ross: Gee, what a surprise, surprise, surprise.
Director Skoien: OK, we made the effort just like you said
Director Richardson: I meant next month (laughing)
Director Skoien: Won’t be no different
Director Richardson: That’s right, it probably won’t be different for quite a while (cross talk)
Director Skoien: (inaudible) chance to change it
VP Kinsella: OK, so that motion failed
Director Ross: No big deal.
VP Kinsella: Say again?
Director Ross: No big deal, do it next time.
VP Kinsella: I kind of expected it
Director Ross: Oh yeah
VP Kinsella: Page 53
Secretary Reeves: 54 actually, no you’re right
VP Kinsella: Say again?
Director Richardson: 53
Secretary Reeves: You’re right, sorry
Director Ross: Which page?
Secretary Reeves: 53
VP Kinsella: Oh that’s the Grand Jury letter
Secretary Reeves: that’s tied with the resignation
VP Kinsella: Yeah, when I get
Secretary Reeves: Yeah, OK 53 is correspondence, 54 is the
Director Richardson: Reorg
VP Kinsella: When I get a letter from a government agency that says greetings, (inaudible) look for the door
Director Ross: Charise, what page are we on?
Secretary Reeves: 54
VP Kinsella: 54. Page 54 is the written resignation of Director Keefe. Page 55 is Mr. Carlson’s letters to the presiding judge of Mariposa County Superior Court and ah, and the Board of Supervisors, and Dan Tynan. WE don’t need a motion for that do we?
Secretary Reeves: Ah I think you probably should (cross talk)
VP Kinsella: probably be neater and cleaner to have a motion
Secretary Reeves: because we
Director Skoien: Motion for what?
Secretary Reeves: approved the response to the Grand Jury and as part of her, ahm I know you, the board had asked, or at least members of the board had asked for an addendum to that once everything was finalized with the DA, and that’s why it’s in here as part of (inaudible) reorg and vacancy because it’s all tied to her resignation.
VP Kinsella: Any comments from the board?
Director Skoien: I don’t understand why, wh, why we have to have a motion on this (cross talk)
Director Ross: What is, what are we trying to move? (cross talk)
VP Kinsella: It’s a letter from Mr. Carlson to ah Judge Walton, acknowledging that Director Keefe had resigned her position, do you
Director Ross: Raymond, do we need a motion for that or not?
Director Skoien: We don’t need a motion for that
Ray Carlson: Yeah you should, so that there’s a record
VP Kinsella: It’d be neater and cleaner
Ray Carlson: that there was authority to send it
Director Ross: Well, what does the motion want to say?
VP Kinsella: That we approve the letter that Mr. Carlson wrote to ah Judge Walton, copies to the Board of Supervisors and Mr. Tynan
Ray Carlson: I mean it hasn’t actually been sent yet, but you’re authorizing me to send it.
VP Kinsella: Yeah, that’s what the motion is going to be.
Director Ross: I can, I can so move if you would like, that long motion that probably can’t repeat, cuz it was too long
Secretary Reeves: It was to approve the letter Mr. Carlson wrote to Judge Walton, Dan Tynan and Mariposa County Board of Supervisors
VP Kinsella: OK, Emery, you going to make the motion Emery?
Director Ross: I made it, I said so moved.
VP Kinsella: Second?
Director Richardson: I’ll second it.
VP Kinsella: OK, open to the floor, any comments from the floor? Victor?
Victor: I don’t see any need for it, (inaudible) they have the court transcript, there is no need for the attorney to spend his time and district money attending to the letter
Public: But he’s already (cross talk, multiple voices) might as well send it (laughing)
Victor: It’s in the court transcript already
VP Kinsella: It hasn’t been sent yet, it has not been sent
Victor: I know that
VP Kinsella: it’s an extra 42 cents
Victor: No, there’s also billable hours
VP Kinsella: Any other comments (multiple voices)
Public: Did you officially accept her resignation?
VP Kinsella: Say again?
Public: Do you need a motion to officially accept her resignation?
VP Kinsella: No the resignation was sent and accepted, we don’t need a resolution for that, we do need a recommendation or a vote to send a letter to the Superior Court Judge. OK, back to the board, all in favor of the motion to have Mr. Carlson send, sign and send the letter to …..all in favor? Unanimous. Onward and upward.
Director Ross: Page number?
Secretary Reeves: You’re still on 54
VP Kinsella: Board vacancy,
Secretary Reeves: No, board reorg, president, vice president, (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: Yes, yes (inaudible)
Secretary Reeves: It’s just, there’s nothing specific to (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: What page is that?
Secretary Reeves: It’s still on the same pages. Bill we’re still talking about reorganizing, (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: OK,
Secretary Reeves: Because we have no president
VP Kinsella: Right, Board Reorganization, ah, board comments?
Director Ross: I have one. Why don’t we discontinue along this path until we get this third person, that’s what we did the last time if you recall. Wes ran it, you can run it as VP, you’re doing a fine job.
VP Kinsella: I (inaudible) problem with that. Mark
Director Skoien: I got no problem with that.
Secretary Reeves: We have a
Director Skoien: It’s going to end up that way anyway
Director Richardson: Probably so
Secretary Reeves: (inaudible)
Director Skoien: by the time you count the votes
Secretary Reeves: Do we have a motion to do so? Emery do you want to
Director Ross: I make the motion, go ahead
VP Kinsella: No, you want to make the motion
Director Ross: I make the motion that we continue as we are until the new person is appointed and then (inaudible) who the president is.
Director Skoien: I’ll second it
VP Kinsella: OK
Director Skoien: Since it’s going to come out that way anyway (laughter)
VP Kinsella: (laughing) There’s nothing like a foregone conclusion is there?
(Multiple voices)
Director Ross: You’re doing fine just keep
VP Kinsella: I’m not worried about it
Director Richardson: So if it doesn’t pass, it’s the same thing anyway.
Director Skoien: Exactly
(Multiple voices, Laughter)
VP Kinsella: Anybody (laughing) have any comments from the audience?
Public: Just a funny one, maybe you don’t need that fifth one you’re doing very well.
(Laughter)
Director Richardson: There’ll be some other things coming up.
VP Kinsella: Since we have no comments from the audience, ah, the motion is to leave things the way they are
Director Ross: Bill I had a comment when you’re done
VP Kinsella: Say again?
Director Ross: I have a comment when you’re done
VP Kinsella: OK.
Director Ross: Bill as as the vice president ah, there isn’t a president so you can establish these committees because you’re actually running it right now, you don’t need a motion to have committees, if you want to have committees, have committees. Now it’s your elective.
VP Kinsella: Well
Secretary Reeves: We’ll get there
Director Ross: Officially it is
VP Kinsella: Well we’re not
Director Ross: That’s who, that’s who you come up with a committees and you assign people to them, you don’t need to vote on it or anything like that,
VP Kinsella: I know that
Director Ross: OK, (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: I know that, but the motion is that you said you wanted to leave things alone?
Director Ross: I think we voted.
(Unknown) No you haven’t voted yet
VP Kinsella: No
Director Ross: Oh we didn’t?
Secretary Reeves: No you haven’t voted yet, we’ve still got the motion on the floor.
Director Ross: OK
VP Kinsella: (inaudible) All in favor to leave it alone
Secretary Reeves: Until there’s, until we get a third
VP Kinsella: the way it is?
Secretary Reeves: third seat.
VP Kinsella: Huh?
Secretary Reeves: Until we get the third seat filled.
VP Kinsella: Yeah
Secretary Reeves: So what’s my vote?
Director Ross: I guess it’s (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: One, two, three, four
Secretary Reeves: OK, I’ll
VP Kinsella: No sense
Secretary Reeves: Yours is a yes OK?
VP Kinsella: Why go through a second one?
Secretary Reeves: OK
Director Richardson: I guess you could have thrown a no in there just for fun- the excitement of it all.
Public: Charise is the (inaudible)
VP Kinsella: OK
Secretary Reeves: It’s supposed to be, let me go look (inaudible) it’s kind of warm
Director Richardson: Cuz there’s people in here now, brings up the temperature.
Public: Have a break, there’s still so much…
VP Kinsella: You want a break?
Public: Please, could you call a recess?
VP Kinsella: OK, unless, unless ah there’s any ah complaint, we’ll have a 15 minute recess.
Public: OK, thank you.
Director Richardson: Time, 1427
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