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MARCH 13th MEETING BLOG
This is one of the more difficult postings I’ve had in a while. There’s a lot going on in both my heart and mind. This is not pleasant.
The flag thing still bothers me and stings of the expression “they get what they deserve”. I’ve always interpreted that as basically meaning those who allow bad things to continue but are later harmed by what they permitted through inaction shouldn’t really complain. I still have mixed feelings about yesterday’s “flag post”.
Yes, I do feel a twinge of “posting remorse” for showing Our Flag in such a condition.
Yes, I realize I could have just picked up the telephone and called –or- written an email with an attached photo to the appropriate agency (of course many government agencies do not accept emails with attachments).
Yes, I am just as guilty for thinking “someone else will surely call” (although I was told by one person they did indeed report it to a volunteer deputy over a month ago).
Yes, I realize it was wrong of me to perform such an experiment and wait to see how long it would take to correct such a disgraceful display.
Yes, my military family upbringing and Boy Scout background screamed in my head I should attempt correction immediately – don’t wait, and although a weak defense, I thought it worth the extra time if only to prove a point about this community’s apparent apathy for situations most communities would consider totally unacceptable. Guess I am naïve and have an antiquated concept of community pride. Agghhh, a dinosaur! Anyway, I waited for as long as I could before posting what should be a community embarrassment.
This photo was taken late this afternoon and quite frankly, I was again disappointed.
I will be making some telephone calls early Monday morning to both County Fire and the Sheriff’s Office.
The circumstances leading up to this meeting (report below) have placed me in the difficult and unpleasant position of having to adamantly disagree with someone with whom I normally share very common views. Ironically, I also find myself sharing some of the same complaints and concerns from another group with whom I have traditionally disagreed. Seems the more I learn, the more confusing it all becomes. Anyway, everyone has their own opinion and perspective and that is fine, however, when it comes to established procedures, especially potential disciplinary actions, I believe an organization should stick as close to policy as possible.
The ethics training course public officials are required to take stresses the point that if a public official finds themselves in a questionable situation they should seek advice from their legal counsel which I did. During the last regular monthly meeting I brought up this personnel matter because since January I have advocated it be addressed.
Well, sorry about the length of this report. There might be some mistakes but I just don’t have the time to go over this transcript again – – -the next board meeting is this Monday. Another great weekend once I receive the Board Packet. Later.
SPECIAL MEETING March 13th, 2012 @ 1300hrs
Directors Bill Kinsella, Victor Afanasiev, Mark Skoien and Lew Richardson present. Director Emery Ross absent due to a family medical situation. IGM Dan Tynan and Financial Administrator/Treasurer/Board Secretary Charise Reeves also present.
Pledge of Allegiance.
- a. Office Fire (15 minutes) Request – Update the Board on the status of the office fire, declare the office fire an emergency, and grant authorization to recover.
NOTE: A STAFF REPORT by Charise Reeves stated: “In order to alleviate any problems and to speed the process while replacing items damaged or destroyed by the fire, staff is requesting the following motion be approved:
“The Board of Directors move to declare the fire in the Lake Don Pedro Community Services District office building an emergency and authorize staff to perform the necessary tasks and purchase all items, structures, and equipment damaged or destroyed in the fire that is covered by the District’s insurance company.”
- b. Audit (10 minutes) Request – Approve final 2010-2011 Fiscal Year Audit
- c. The Pipeline (10 minutes) Request – Public relations committee discussion/ recommendation for possible publication of the Pipeline
Charise Reeves advised the office was only closed for one day; temporary telephone service installed and office equipment brought in on Wednesday; all Springbrook billing data was recovered successfully due to the billing officer’s back-up procedure (saved much time and money); contact has been made with the modular building manufacturer for a replacement office; there may be an issue with a chlorine line located where the new building will be installed; computer server and equipment replacement bid to be provided; and that the four separate printers may be replaced with one multi-function unit.
President Kinsella interjected and addressed the public’s concern as to the cost of office equipment replacement and asked if his understanding that insurance would cover all losses was correct. Reeves advised that both she and Syndie Marchesiello (Billing Officer/Customer Relations Representative) were working with the insurance personnel and were being conservative in replacing lost equipment and supplies. (If there were three boxes of paper prior to the fire, only three boxes of paper were purchased.) All replacement bids on major equipment (and building) will be forwarded to the insurance representatives for approval first. Document recovery has been onsite and taken custody of critical files in an attempt to restore them. Insurance is also involved in this process because every damaged file needs to be treated with ozone to remove the chemical smoke smell. There has been no recent contact by fire investigators as to the cause of the fire.
Director Skoien questioned the reason for the board to declare the fire an emergency and approve Reeve’s resolution since water production was not affected. Reeves advised they normally had to get bids for anything over $25,000 and the building would be over that and if the computers and server were put together they’d be over that limit as well. Director Skoien stated he didn’t believe the situation met the requirements as an emergency and the normal bidding procedures should be followed. Reeves stated the insurance would cover replacement of “like and kind”. Reeves said the other option would be to see if the insurance company would require other bids from different companies but she was only trying to cover all aspects that might come up. Director Afanasiev questioned Reeves what our insurance coverage was and she replied it was much greater but wasn’t sure since her papers were “toasted” but believed it was two million as relayed by the document recovery person. The original building that was installed in ’01-’02 was $59,000 without engineering and some other incidentals and a current ballpark replacement estimate is about $79,000 with $6,000-$7,000 for demolition of the old structure. Afanasiev also asked if a building permit would be required to which Reeves replied it would but that process hasn’t been started yet and was only in the preliminary stage. Other permitting fees might also be involved, including engineering due to the buried line near the existing footprint of the old building. New building codes are also going into effect the end of this month.
The emergency request was tabled without any objections by board members with the understanding all bids would be submitted for insurance approval and then brought back to the board.
One error was reported to the auditors for correction which was the fact our Billing/Customer Service Representative, Syndie Marchesiello, did in fact make multiple reports of the $40,000+ under-billing for the waste water plant prior to May 20th, 2011. Director Afanasiev suggested changing the referenced phrase “District Attorney” to “legal counsel”. Wes Barton questioned a $50,000 discrepancy in the accounts receivable report stating he was advised it was due to the waste water plant late billing, however, did not believe this was the case since the waste water billing was in July. Barton had sent a written request to Charise Reeves back in December to check the matter out but had not received an answer. Reeves stated she would double check that.
Barton asked if the entire board was aware the auditor reported material weaknesses and significant deficiencies in our CSD financial operations.
The auditor’s report was approved with those two corrections with a 3-1 vote: Kinsella, Afanasiev and Richardson aye, Director Skoien abstained.
Reeves asked if the district should continue with the same auditors (contract for 3 years expiring) or seek a new firm? Reeves advised that the auditors have not officially approved the oversight of the finance committee as a sufficient remedy to the problem with Reeves being both Financial Administrator and Treasurer. Consensus of the board to inquire whether the same auditors would be used for the next audit.
THE PIPELINE (Proposal to bring back the Community Pipeline newsletter)
Tabled with VP Richardson advising he would have something prepared for the next meeting.
Charise Reeves requested that the agenda for the next meeting on Tuesday be kept as minimal as possible. Reeves advised the Throckwisp contract had been requested by Richardson and Afanasiev and two requests but she hadn’t even found her notes in the stacks of smoke damaged papers. Director Skoien corrected, and confirmed, the meeting was for Monday March 19th. Reeves continued by saying the agenda needed to be kept minimal because the office did not have scanning capability yet. Director Afanasiev stated his requests could wait. President Kinsella said he had no problem and liked a short agenda. Reeves advised VP Richardson that the Throckwisp contract was in one of the boxes somewhere but Richardson advised the Outside MIDPOU Resolution was already held over but Reeves said it too would be held over. Richardson asked if Reeves had contacted Raymond (the CSD attorney) because that resolution was supposed to have gone back to the attorney to address the concerns of three directors and Reeve’s replied “You know, like I said I haven’t even found the notes because they’re in a pile in a box”. President Kinsella stated if he remembered correctly Reeves had told him that she had referred it to Raymond but Reeve’s stated: “Yeah, but I don’t know if it got… I don’t know if ”
VP Richardson: “Well I contacted him the other day …”
Charise Reeves: “No I had not…”
President Kinsella: “OK, well….”
VP Richardson: “This is how things drop through”
Charise Reeves: “The fire happened (bangs board table) the Monday after the meeting”
President Kinsella: “OK”
Charise Reeves: “So, we’re in recovery mode in the office”
President Kinsella: “Will you contact Raymond and find out…..”
Charise Reeves: “I will, I will find, I will search for those files – papers and see what (inaudible)….”
President Kinsella: “I think, I think it’s imperative that that be on the, the agenda, we’ve got to, we’ve got to maintain control on that…”
Charise Reeves: “OK let me see what I can do”
[No director comments, meeting was adjourned at 1340hrs.]
PERSONNEL COMMITTEE MEETING
President Kinsella: We now have a Closed Session for a ….
Charise Reeves: You have to open it…”
President Kinsella: yeah, yeah but I’m just saying we’re going to have to clear the room because we have a closed session on the first matter so,
Wes Barton: I, I, I’d like to
President Kinsella: ah, how do you want to handle this you want to have both of them sit in or handle them one at a time.
VP Richardson: Bill you’ve been running the whole thing since day one so
Wes Barton: Bill I heard you say you wanted to clear but I’d like to ask a question.
President Kinsella: Say again
Wes Barton: I know, I heard you say you’d like to clear the room but I’d like to ask a question before you get started.
President Kinsella: OK ….go ahead
Multiple voices/cross talk
Charise Reeves: Wait, wait, wait…..let me, let me, let me get it, the tape on here
Wes Barton: I just wanted you to know I wasn’t ignoring you when you said you wanted a, wanted it cleared.
Director Skoien: So this is the open part before you close?
President Kinsella: Yeah this is the open….
Director Skoien: I can listen to this
President Kinsella: OK, we’ll open this session at ah 1341….this is a Personnel Committee and it’s going to be Director Richardson and me listening to a complaint by ah Justin and Jose against Charise. Wes, you’ve got something to say?
Wes Barton: Ah yeah, I ah just, more of my ignorance probably I know in a regular ah board meeting if you’ve got a complaint you have to offer the person the opportunity to ah have it in an open meeting, you have to, it has to be in writing, have an open meeting or a closed meeting. In a committee like this I don’t know if you have to or not but if you’ve referring to the same codes, and so my question is did you, in this case I guess it was Charise, give her the a right 24 hours ahead of time in writing –
President Kinsella: She did, she’s been duly notified
Wes Barton: OK that was my only question. Is it actually, did you guys go to the attorney on that? I’m, I’m just, that’s curious, curiosity
President Kinsella: I’m sorry?
Wes Barton: It, do you have to do that?
President Kinsella: Yes
Wes Barton: In a committee meeting?
President Kinsella: Yeah, on a personnel issue, yeah.
Wes Barton: OK
VP Richardson: But that wasn’t done in a committee meeting was it?
President Kinsella: Huh?
VP Richardson: That portion wasn’t done in a meeting
President Kinsella: What the notification?
VP Richardson: No, no…
Wes Barton: I don’t know that it has to be…
President Kinsella: You don’t have to notify her in a meeting …
Wes Barton: You just have to do it in writing….
President Kinsella: You just have to do it in writing
Charise Reeves: And I’ve chosen closed
VP Richardson: Yeah, but I noticed on the one on a Dan Tynan it had the section in there where they had the right to choose closed or open and this one didn’t have that
Charise Reeves: That one was because he had chosen open, (clears throat), and it was, I (clear throat) and I had contacted Raymond and said how do I do this because we weren’t sure whether it was open or closed
VP Richardson: I didn’t know it was closed until I received this, I’m just curious when it was decided to be closed
Director Skoien: (inaudible) closed
Charise Reeves: Because as soon as I was notified I told him I would want to have it in closed session
Jose: Can I ask a question. What if we wanted ah our session to be open?
Charise Reeves: You can’t
President Kinsella: Say again?
Jose: What if we wanted our session to be open, me and Justin?
President Kinsella: You don’t have any choice
Jose: We don’t have a choice, OK.
President Kinsella: No, you’re the complainant she’s the victim
Director Afanasiev: Defendant you mean
President Kinsella: Or the defendant, it’s her choice
President Kinsella: I’d like, I’d like ah one of you to stay the other ah will be called when we need your testimony. Sir?
Unknown: I’m a witness to this
Kinsella: OK, then why don’t you step outside, what’s your name?
President Kinsella: Hum?
President Kinsella: Tony what?
VP Richardson: I have a question
President Kinsella: Sure
VP Richardson: Now it’s alright for ah the other two directors to sit in?
President Kinsella: No, they’re going to be leaving
VP Richardson: OK then I’d like to make a Statement for the Record
President Kinsella: OK
VP Richardson: The previous Personnel Committee decisions have proven to be ineffective and ignored. The Grievance process has been abused for ulterior employee motives of advancement. There has been selective enforcement of policies and intentional failure to timely investigate written complaints. The intentional disregard of our attorney’s explicit instructions, I believe, is far more egregious than a common supervisor-employee dispute yet this matter has been completely ignored. The new office building will only be re-occupied with the same management dysfunction without intervention that must come from the General Manager – not individual directors. The big loser is the district and the ratepayers. For these reasons I believe the Personnel Committee Meeting should be adjourned and rescheduled – subject matter to be heard by the entire Board.
President Kinsella: ….I disagree with you. You talking about this specific incident?
VP Richardson: This and it ties to the previous one as well.
President Kinsella: Well this has to be treated as a different, a, a, individual case on its own merit.
VP Richardson: But due to the failures of the other one that involved some of the same people, ah, I don’t see this going anywhere. And it should be before all the directors.
President Kinsella: Well, the purpose of the Personnel Committee is to gather information and if it rises to the level of concern it’s then referred to the full board. Am I wrong in that conclusion?
VP Richardson: I don’t know, did you check with counsel about this?
President Kinsella: Did I specifically check with counsel?
VP Richardson: Yeah
President Kinsella: No I did not.
VP Richardson: Dan, did you check with counsel regarding this?
IGM Dan Tynan: Ahaao, I spoke with Raymond I believe a couple of times on this, yes I did, I actually sent him a copy of the complaints and ah, his response I can’t remember off hand, but I did give him a copy of the response uhm I believe he thought they should be in a timely manner – don’t quote me on that – but I’m pretty positive that’s what he said. It’s been a while ago, a month ago since I sent him the information on that.
VP Richardson: Right, right, but any view, did he express any view as far as personnel committee versus the entire board?
IGM Tynan: I believe he said open
VP Richardson: He said open?
IGM Tynan: Yes, I believe
VP Richardson: Open to the full board?
IGM Tynan: I believe but it’s been such a long time I don’t want to put myself – you know, it’s like I said I haven’t talked to him about this in about a month so I’m trying to go back through my memory about a month, but I do believe he did say it should go before the whole board, don’t quote me on that but yeah it’s been about a month since I spoke with him about this, because I waited about four weeks to six weeks and then talked to Raymond.
VP Richardson: I just think because of the nature of some of the charges and the way it’s been handled up to this point all directors should be involved in it.
Director Skoien: Could I say something since it’s still open?
President Kinsella: Sure
Director Skoien: I just don’t want to get us in conflicting things here but I agree with Lew’s statement but you said you talked to Raymond want to make sure we’re doing this right here, I don’t see the difference from Raymond saying Charise had a choice to go closed even though you wanted it open why would he say they should be open and not include that choice for her, that’s all I’m asking, I, I
VP Richardson: I don’t think they are the issue at all it’s the person that is the subject of the complaint
Director Skoien: OK
VP Richardson: has the choice
IGM Tynan: (inaudible)
Director Skoien: OK so, well wait a minute let me finish, that’s the same thing as Dan against Charise, she was the subject and had the choice to be closed
VP Richardson: Ah-hum
President Kinsella: If you remember ah when the accusation was made against Dan he wanted it the session open
Director Skoien: right
President Kinsella: Dan countered and wanted, against Charise, and Charise wanted it closed
Director Skoien: OK that’s what I’m getting
President Kinsella: there’s, there is no difference
Director Skoien: Theirs is against Charise and she wants it closed so how do we legally get it open? That’s all, I don’t want us to do something wrong here.
Director Afanasiev: You don’t, that’s the problem, you don’t. It’s the choice of the defendant to make it open or closed
Director Skoien: Then why did Raymond say to him
Charise Reeves: No he said for the whole board – put it in front of the whole board that’s what he’s getting to, not in open session.
Director Afanasiev: The way I see it
Director Skoien: Oh I see not necessarily open but in front of the whole board,
VP Richardson: Right
Director Skoien: OK, that’s where,
VP Richardson: Right
Director Skoien: OK that’s
Charise Reeves: You know what
VP Richardson: All directors would be included
Charise Reeves: I don’t have a problem
Director Skoien: that’s where I crossed wires – I love that too
Charise Reeves: I don’t have a problem (bangs board table twice) throw this in front of the whole board let’s resolve all of this for once and for all because I have been asking for five months to have it all resolved.
[NOTE: Technically that is not correct. Mrs. Reeves agreed several months ago during a meeting to consult with the mediator to resolve the problem but to my knowledge such mediation process has never occurred.]
Director Skoien: OK I was mixed up I was thinking closed meant, I was thinking the whole board meant open and that’s, I confused it
VP Richardson: Well since nobody’s really sure what Raymond’s thoughts are on this I would think it would behoove us to contact him
IGM Tynan: I’ll contact him today
Charise Reeves: Why don’t you schedule a special ah meeting ah after the regular meeting or at the end of the regular meeting, throw this baby on it let’s get it done
Director Skoien: Well we have one
President Kinsella: I want to get it out here
Director Skoien: We have one before the regular meeting to don’t we?
Charise Reeves: Well that’s a question are we doing a Finance Committee meeting ahum before the regular meeting? Or are we skipping that?
Director Skoien: Ah, Finance Committee Meeting and the rest of the salary plan?
Charise Reeves: No, Finance Committee Meeting meaning going over Treasurer’s Report, that would be Bill and Lew and Wes are we doing that
Director Skoien: OK wait a minute
Charise Reeves: before the Regular Meeting or are we going to postpone that one with everything that’s going on?
Director Skoien: OK wait a minute, wait a minute I’m confused. I got an email asking if I was open for the hour before our regular meeting on the 19th
Charise Reeves: OK, I’m unaware of that
Director Skoien: And, and I said I was, ok
Charise Reeves: OK I’m unaware I’m in the dark on this one
Director Skoien: Ok, so ah, what you want to do then it should be after
IGM Tynan: It should be after
Director Skoien: Yeah
Charise Reeves: So
Director Skoien: if we’re going to
Charise Reeves: So you make it part of your
Director Skoien: we’ll be packing a lunch (laughs)
Charise Reeves: you can just do it as part of your regular meeting
Director Skoien: (Inaudible, laughing)
Charise Reeves: you can just do it at the end, you can do it at the end of the regular meeting just hold closed session at the end of the regular meeting
Director Skoien: If you gu, if the Personnel Committee wants to change it to everybody, I’m, I’m for it
IGM Tynan: Is there still a need to call Raymond, if it’s going to be open – just to make sure that he thinks it should be open?
President Kinsella: Say that again?
Director Skoien: It’s not going to be open, see that’s where you confused me with that word – full board
IGM Tynan: Full board
VP Richardson: Full board
Director Skoien: Full board not necessarily open, that’s where you cross wired my (inaudible – laughing)
IGM Tynan: Sorry, I’ll call today and
Director Afanasiev: Are you going to call, ah, when you will be calling him
Charise Reeves: That would be (inaudible)
Director Afanasiev: when he gives you the information
IGM Tynan: I’ll get, email it to you
Director Afanasiev: ah no no no, let me finish please,
IGM Tynan: sorry
Director Afanasiev: ask him to give the case law, citations and (inaudible) just because he says so, I was trained in legal, you back up something with case law and citations and
IGM Tynan: Case law?
Director Afanasiev: case law and citations
Director Skoien: Let’s just get in there and knock it around
Director Skoien: Because Raymond has been wrong more than once
Director Skoien: Well everybody’s wrong at least once
Director Afanasiev: Yeah, but this way he can back up, this is what the court says, this is what it says
Director Skoien: You know what? In my opinion the way this district is going there probably isn’t case law anywhere in the country to cover it – (laughs)
Director Afanasiev: Wouldn’t be surprised
Director Skoien: Would you be surprised?
Charise Reeves: Are we doing, OK, so that will be part of the regular meeting are we doing Finance Committee Meeting before or no?
Director Skoien: Before the regular?
Charise Reeves: Yeah, I’m talking to, to these two
VP Richardson: Sure why not? That will work.
Director Skoien: What about that other thing that’s supposed to be before?
Charise Reeves: No it’s not going to be before it will be part of the regular meeting at the end.
Director Skoien: Oh the Finance Meeting?
Charise Reeves: No the Finance Committee will be an hour before hand, what was originally apparently a Special Meeting will be at the very end of the regular meeting we will have a regular meeting we’ll have closed session at the end.
Director Skoien: So the meeting that I ah, that I was asked if I was available for by our General Manager you’re not going to do?
Charise Reeves: I wasn’t aware of that meeting so
IGM Tynan: It’ll be at the end of the meeting at the end of the regular meeting
Director Skoien: Your’s will? That thing will?
IGM Tynan: Yes, yes
Director Skoien: Oh cause this said, it said 12 o’clock
IGM Tynan: Well (inaudible) discuss this so
Director Skoien: Oh, OK
IGM Tynan: it sounds better to have that at the end because we’ll probably take longer than that
President Kinsella: Alright just to clarify the damn thing. Nobody has contacted me for a special meeting. It’s a closed issue, the regular board meeting will be at 1 o’clock.
Charise Reeves: OK, Finance Committee at 12?
President Kinsella: Yes
Charise Reeves: Closed Session with Personnel Issue I’m assuming, is it all inclusive?
VP Richardson: Yeah, I’d like to go back to the original
Director Skoien: Did you get a majority answer on that?
IGM Tynan: I believe it’s going to be after the regular meeting because when the personnel grievance will be discussed
Charise Reeves: OK so we’ll just put it generically and I’ll ask Raymond whether I need to clarify anything, multiple items how to deal with this
VP Richardson: But did you put in something for a special meeting as well?
President Kinsella: You got the email
IGM Tynan: Yes I sent it to you I believe (inaudible)
VP Richardson: Did the president get a copy of it or?
IGM Tynan: Yeah I sent the email out to everybody
VP Richardson: Ah OK
President Kinsella: And since it
Director Skoien: I answered it
President Kinsella: since it was specific that the, a majority of the board or at least three board members called the meeting I’ve never been told about it that there were members that called the ah special meeting and unless I’m told, I’m not going to go for it, I don’t care.
Director Skoien: No listen, wait a minute, if you got the email
VP Richardson: Yeah
Director Skoien: If everybody gets an email, and Dan asked asks if you’re available at a certain time blah, blah, blah, blah I said yes I am, I’m only one, but if he got three people
Director Afanasiev: Who’s the three people?
Director Skoien: Well I don’t know, I’m just
President Kinsella: You need a majority of the board,
Director Skoien: That’s three people
Director Afanasiev: right
Director Skoien: right.
President Kinsella: Yeah
Director Skoien: OK
Director Afanasiev: I never responded
Director Skoien: I’m not saying you did, I’m saying if he got three people that said they were available for that meeting
President Kinsella: Then a meeting will be called
Director Skoien: it doesn’t matter how you feel about it, that’s all I’m saying
President Kinsella: You’re right, it does, it doesn’t really make any difference how I feel about it.
Director Skoien: Right if he got
President Kinsella: But since the accusation was made against me, you must tell me.
Director Skoien: I have not heard what the meetings about I was just asked if I could be there and I said yes
Charise Reeves: OK, you just brought something up that I’m unaware of, because I’m understanding the closed session is about personnel. Is there something else that needs to be in this closed session or…. I didn’t get the email.
President Kinsella: Well Dan, Dan accused me of 17 items and he wants a special meeting before the regular board meeting. Nobody told me that they ah were in favor of that and unless I’m told, I’m not going to call it.
Director Skoien: We don’t have to tell you
President Kinsella: But I have to be, I have to be notified just like everybody else
Director Skoien: Well that may be but a general manager
Charise Reeves: Cannot – no he cannot
President Kinsella: No he cannot
Director Skoien: can call a special meeting with a majority of the board
Charise Reeves: three members of the board
Director Skoien: Yes
Charise Reeves: have to request it
Director Skoien: majority of the board
Director Afanasiev: I for one did not respond to that, I read the email and I did not respond to it because I figured we would be discussing it later
President Kinsella: OK, I read it I did not respond
Director Afanasiev: So that’s still out of, there’s three others
President Kinsella: The other three responded
Director Afanasiev: I don’t know
President Kinsella: Well I know one that didn’t and said he was not going to respond. So there’s your three. It’s three to two. He didn’t respond the answer is no.
Charise Reeves: OK, so in our closed session it is just
Director Skoien: So you don’t want to have a meeting if your general manager would want that?
President Kinsella: He can’t call them
Director Afanasiev: He cannot call them
Director Skoien: With a majority of the board
Director Afanasiev: Right, but the thing is, I never responded therefore
VP Richardson: Why did you not respond?
Director Afanasiev: Why?
Director Skoien: Yes or no, I mean you got to answer the question
Director Afanasiev: Because I wanted to clarify more information before I would respond.
VP Richardson: OK
Director Skoien: And how were you going to do that? Talk about a closed session subject in an open board meeting?
VP Richardson: can’t do that because it’s not agendized
Director Afanasiev: (inaudible) the reason I say, I was doing other things, OK? I just read the email and I was, figured, OK I would find out more information today maybe
President Kinsella: Well why don’t we move on to the current issue, if he wants, if he wants a meeting ah before, have him ask everybody again and respond, otherwise I’m, it’s not going to happen.
Director Afanasiev: Are we talking about the 19th?
Director Skoien: Monday the 19th is our regular meeting.
President Kinsella: I don’t know what (inaudible)
VP Richardson: Is that going to be packing too much into one day?
President Kinsella: Boy you got that right.
Charise Reeves: I have, I have no idea
Director Skoien: don’t even know if we’re going to be able to have it
Charise Reeves: I don’t know what’s on that meeting, I, we already discussed the agenda yet
IGM Tynan: I’d just like to see a grievance that was done 1-10-2012 just be addressed by the whole board to where, you know, three months,(inaudible) two months that’s too long yeah,
Charise Reeves: Yeah and so is October
IGM Tynan: well this hasn’t (inaudible)
President Kinsella: Personnel Committee met, referred it to the whole board, the whole board decided that a mediator was appropriate.
VP Richardson: And that didn’t work.
President Kinsella: And that didn’t work and I’ll tell you something else the mediator is not going to give us a report.
Director Skoien: A report of what?
President Kinsella: On what, how they
Director Skoien: They didn’t have a mediation
VP Richardson: So then I think, the whole thing, all these disciplinary actions need to be rolled into one and come before the full board.
Director Skoien: That might be nice to just have them all on a, you know,
Director Afanasiev: But not the (inaudible)
Director Skoien: the whole can of beans, lets open them and eat it all.
VP Richardson: I thought that’s what we were talking about, after the next regular meeting
Director Skoien: OK, OK, ah then (inaudible multiple voices) too because I, alright, after the regular meeting
Director Afanasiev: On the 19th?
Director Skoien: Yeah, slash 20th maybe (laughs) as much as is on the ticket, yeah.
VP Richardson: OK
Director Skoien: I got no problem with that, do you Bill?
President Kinsella: I don’t have a problem with any of this. I think it’s stupid but that’s my opinion whether you like it or not.
Director Skoien: No I agree with you, a lot of it is stupid
VP Richardson: A lot of it was needless
Director Skoien: And un-factual
President Kinsella: To get back to this issue, I was given the complaints, or the com, what ah apparently turned out to be a complaint, and read it and then I asked Dan if it was a formal complaint and a week later I got an answer. He was gone for a while. She was gone for a while, we had the fire and here we are.
IGM Tynan: Well that wasn’t
President Kinsella: I want to, I want to get this, I want to get this thing out of the way I don’t care who likes it or who doesn’t like it I want it out of the way get it off the table it’s got to be closed.
IGM Tynan: I agree with you 100%
VP Richardson: Let’s just wrap them all together put it in a special meeting
Director Skoien: This one too?
VP Richardson: Yeah
Director Skoien: That was going to be today?
VP Richardson: Yeah
Director Afanasiev: Fine
Director Skoien: Next Monday
Charise Reeves: So is it a special meeting or is it at the end of the regular meeting, you going to close the regular meeting, open a special meeting, what are we doing?
Director Skoien: Go to closed session after (inaudible)
President Kinsella: I don’t know, they, they’re telling us what to
VP Richardson: And address all this stuff and try to get rid of it all at once
Charise Reeves: just do it at the end of the regular meeting do it as part of one meeting unless we just
Director Afanasiev: But would, would we have the time for both for that, or would we
Multiple voices/cross talk
Charise Reeves: Well if we minimize what’s on our regular meeting because, I mean,
Director Skoien: Why don’t you drop the Financial for the regular this stuff is important, and do, so we can get to it after, will that save some time?
Charise Reeves: Well that saves the two of them from an hour
Director Skoien: You were asking about, ah, it’s up to the committee, what do you think? Can you live with that or? Dropping the financial
VP Richardson: Yeah, sure because it’s not set in stone
Charise Reeves: No
Director Skoien: And then that gives us a little more time because basically we’re going to have three issues here
VP Richardson: Sure
Charise Reeves: OK, so 1 o’clock regular meeting, Dan can minimize what’s on the regular meeting agenda and it could literally be as short as manager’s report, treasurer’s report, I don’t know if we’re going to have consent calendar
Director Skoien: And I have no problem, I don’t know how anybody else feels, if you want to make the regular start time for the regular meeting earlier
Charise Reeves: No, we have to do it at one, we have to do it at one it’s in our policies
Director Skoien: Oh, OK, alright
Charise Reeves: And I don’t know what other items you have for the regular meeting we got, we’ve got to sit down and come up with the agenda
President Kinsella: This is why nothing gets done eh? – I’ll entertain a motion to adjourn.
Director Afanasiev: So, before we adjourn, so, we’re going to have a regular meeting
Charise Reeves: Regular meeting
Director Afanasiev: then we’re going to have
Director Skoien: a closed
Director Afanasiev: a closed session
Director Skoien: Is that correct?
Charise Reeves: Yes
Director Skoien: Yes
Director Afanasiev: Fine
Charise Reeves: And I’ll find out from (inaudible)
Director Skoien: I second the motion by the way
President Kinsella: Well there, it didn’t get a first
Charise Reeves: So, Mark, you making the first to adjourn?
Director Skoien: Yes
Director Afanasiev: I’ll second
President Kinsella: The meeting’s over.
My best to you and yours, Lew